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 03/27/2005 12:12:48 AM · #26
Originally posted by gwphoto:
How about a -1.


Well it's your vote. Any thoughts behind that -1?

Saw the topic under this forum as "A group of DPChallenge participants who volunteer time to give in depth critiques on photos" so I was hoping for more in-depth critiques.

And I noticed that this is the first post in a month in the critique club. Is it ok for me to post critique requests here or should they go somewhere else?

Message edited by author 2005-03-27 00:14:21.
 03/27/2005 12:18:48 AM · #27
Sure. It is now where near on topic. There is no point of focus and just a poor treatment of the topic.
 03/27/2005 12:23:56 AM · #28
I'm just glad to see that someone else says buttmuffin.
 03/27/2005 12:31:06 AM · #29
Originally posted by virtuamike:
... Saw the topic under this forum as "A group of DPChallenge participants who volunteer time to give in depth critiques on photos" so I was hoping for more in-depth critiques.

And I noticed that this is the first post in a month in the critique club. Is it ok for me to post critique requests here or should they go somewhere else?

This forum is generally for discussion of the critique club as itself and amoungst themselves (problems, proposals and the like) -- although photos are posted here with no harm done they will (generally) get more viewings if posted in the 'Individual Photograph Discussion' forum.

More information about the critique club as it stands and a proposed change in its structure can be found in the threads 'stuck' at the top of the thread listing (here).

Welcome to the fun. ;)

David
 03/27/2005 12:33:05 AM · #30
If the challenge was "Forensics/Crime Scene Photos," then you might could stretch it to fit. But that image has nothing to do with a cemetery, literal or figurative.

And as such, I'd give it a 2.
 03/27/2005 12:40:16 AM · #31
Originally posted by sfboatright:
If the challenge was "Forensics/Crime Scene Photos," then you might could stretch it to fit. But that image has nothing to do with a cemetery, literal or figurative.

And as such, I'd give it a 2.


Yeah I'm seeing that. One of the other criticisms I received was that it was more "death" than "cemetery". The idea I wanted to communicate was "hardware cemetery" but from the general consensus it appears that my execution was off.
 03/27/2005 01:41:08 AM · #32
How would you score this one? Outside of the box, just a bit?

Cemetery
 03/27/2005 01:42:51 AM · #33
Originally posted by srdanz:
How would you score this one? Outside of the box, just a bit?

Cemetery

LOL, i like that!
 03/27/2005 03:05:50 AM · #34
Mike
As it stands I would score it 3 as not meeting the challenge, lack of focus and sauce doesn't look like blood at all
but if you had 5 dead hard drives in a row with a cross standing in front of each and no blood
with the first in full focus and on a rule of thirds point with the remainder running off on a diagonal and dropping out of focus I would score a min of 7 and higher with very good execution

Message edited by author 2005-03-27 03:06:52.
 03/27/2005 03:20:52 AM · #35
Originally posted by Firsty:
Mike
As it stands I would score it 3 as not meeting the challenge, lack of focus and sauce doesn't look like blood at all
but if you had 5 dead hard drives in a row with a cross standing in front of each and no blood
with the first in full focus and on a rule of thirds point with the remainder running off on a diagonal and dropping out of focus I would score a min of 7 and higher with very good execution


Thanks for the honest and thoughtful reply. After thinking about it you're right - the blood doesn't contribute and I could've done away with it.

Looks like my execution needs work.
 03/27/2005 03:28:00 AM · #36
I don't remember when or who said this, but someone said in another forum.

The picture you send in for a challenge should be inside the topic of the challenge. But it is just as important to make it appealing. You should try to make your pictures appealing enough so that someone will notice it and want to frame it and hang on their wall.

I personally wouldn't want to put your picture on my wall, but I'm sure there is someone out there, who thinks it's really funny and would love it. You need to try to get as many people to feel like that as you can. I haven't submitted in many challenges, but that's what I try to do.

There's also the conflict of what you think is appealing and what others think is appealing. Should you let the opinion of others influence you into changing a picture that you really like?
 03/27/2005 03:32:40 AM · #37
I was seriously expecting to see a shot of a buttmuffin. I am not amused...
 03/27/2005 03:38:29 AM · #38
Originally posted by autobahn123:
I don't remember when or who said this, but someone said in another forum.

The picture you send in for a challenge should be inside the topic of the challenge. But it is just as important to make it appealing. You should try to make your pictures appealing enough so that someone will notice it and want to frame it and hang on their wall.

I personally wouldn't want to put your picture on my wall, but I'm sure there is someone out there, who thinks it's really funny and would love it. You need to try to get as many people to feel like that as you can. I haven't submitted in many challenges, but that's what I try to do.

There's also the conflict of what you think is appealing and what others think is appealing. Should you let the opinion of others influence you into changing a picture that you really like?


Good point. Following on those lines, should a photographer take a photo to appease the masses or make a photo to communicate an idea? I read somewhere that in order to have mass appeal, a photo should be personally detached (ever get tired of seeing cat pictures?). But if that were the case, photography would have no soul.

It's a compromise. Eventually I'll figure it out.
 03/27/2005 03:40:28 AM · #39
Originally posted by TooCool:
I was seriously expecting to see a shot of a buttmuffin. I am not amused...


Will an ass do?

03/27/2005 03:47:43 AM · #40
That's a nice peace-ful ass.
 03/27/2005 03:48:38 AM · #41
Originally posted by virtuamike:
Good point. Following on those lines, should a photographer take a photo to appease the masses or make a photo to communicate an idea? I read somewhere that in order to have mass appeal, a photo should be personally detached (ever get tired of seeing cat pictures?). But if that were the case, photography would have no soul.

It's a compromise. Eventually I'll figure it out.


I think that every person has a favorite thing to take pictures of. For some people it's landscape, for others it's sports. There's also a specific market that will appeal to that person's passion. For you example (cats) there's a lot of calender companies, vetenarians, and cat lovers that wouldn't get tired of buying cat pictures.
 03/27/2005 04:43:54 AM · #42
Originally posted by Beetle:
Mike, earlier on you said this:
Originally posted by virtuamike:
Regardless of positive or negative feedback I'll still shoot for myself because I'd rather not be stuck in the crowd.

I don't quite get that...... if you don't want to be "stuck in a crowd", why join it in the first place?



I get it. He didn't say he did not want feedback. He said he didn't care if he got negative or positive feedback. There is a difference. If you joined for acceptance that is fine, but not everyone has the same reasons for being here. And although there are challenge guidelines as long as he follows the challenge rules he has every right to stretch those guidelines as far as he pleases. For him this is his site. Not yours.
 03/27/2005 05:24:09 AM · #43
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Beetle:
Mike, earlier on you said this:
Originally posted by virtuamike:
Regardless of positive or negative feedback I'll still shoot for myself because I'd rather not be stuck in the crowd.

I don't quite get that...... if you don't want to be "stuck in a crowd", why join it in the first place?



I get it. He didn't say he did not want feedback. He said he didn't care if he got negative or positive feedback. There is a difference. If you joined for acceptance that is fine, but not everyone has the same reasons for being here. And although there are challenge guidelines as long as he follows the challenge rules he has every right to stretch those guidelines as far as he pleases. For him this is his site. Not yours.


Spot on. My goal is to grow artistically and technically. If my vision coincides with the general populace enough to garner accolades then yippie! If not I won't lose any sleep over it.

My style might not be very good and it might not win very many fans but the last thing I want is to end up manufactured, hence the "stuck in the crowd" comment.

Well it's definately been one hell of a first day for me on here. Looking forward to day #2.
 03/27/2005 05:25:32 AM · #44
Originally posted by autobahn123:
Originally posted by virtuamike:
Good point. Following on those lines, should a photographer take a photo to appease the masses or make a photo to communicate an idea? I read somewhere that in order to have mass appeal, a photo should be personally detached (ever get tired of seeing cat pictures?). But if that were the case, photography would have no soul.

It's a compromise. Eventually I'll figure it out.


I think that every person has a favorite thing to take pictures of. For some people it's landscape, for others it's sports. There's also a specific market that will appeal to that person's passion. For you example (cats) there's a lot of calender companies, vetenarians, and cat lovers that wouldn't get tired of buying cat pictures.


Hehe if you only knew how many cat pics I have (and consequently how many "ah damn not another cat pic" replies I heard).
 03/27/2005 09:14:47 AM · #45
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Beetle:
Mike, earlier on you said this:
Originally posted by virtuamike:
Regardless of positive or negative feedback I'll still shoot for myself because I'd rather not be stuck in the crowd.

I don't quite get that...... if you don't want to be "stuck in a crowd", why join it in the first place?



I get it. He didn't say he did not want feedback. He said he didn't care if he got negative or positive feedback. There is a difference. If you joined for acceptance that is fine, but not everyone has the same reasons for being here. And although there are challenge guidelines as long as he follows the challenge rules he has every right to stretch those guidelines as far as he pleases. For him this is his site. Not yours.


True enough... he can indeed stretch the rules till the cows come home ... but please... let's not hear "I got a low vote because I stepped out of the box". Certtainly one can be innovative, but the photo shown here fails miserably... box or no box.

You are indeed right when you state: "For him this is his site, Not yours". However, by the same token you must also consider the fact that he sought input from us, thereby making us the arbiters. The sad thruth about "Not standing in a crowd" is that you can become the focal point, and that occasionally this may not be a good thing.

By all means, be innovative and push the envelope, but if your concepts fail to meet the perceived guidelines, you will suffer the consequences.

In closing, I would suggest that serveral DPC members have clearly illustrated that one can be quite innovative while still meeting the guidlelines.

Just a thought.

Ray



Message edited by author 2005-03-27 09:42:59.
 03/27/2005 10:09:02 AM · #46
Nothing a little duct tape couldn't fix.

edit: opps. This is actually Jacko. Looks like I could have fun with my brother's profile.

Message edited by author 2005-03-27 10:10:05.
 03/27/2005 10:45:15 AM · #47
Play nice??? I really don't think this site is about playing nice. lol He asked and I gave him a very generous 3. I seriously doubt that image would do well in any contest. Of course, that's just my opinion. To me, if you have to ask then there's probably a problem. . .
 03/27/2005 11:22:13 AM · #48
There's nothing wrong with shooting outside the box. If you can capture something appealing that relates to a cemetery without actually showing gravestones, more power to you. Such a shot would tend to stand out from the crowd.

The key word, though, is "appealing." Blood and gore will never, EVER score well, no matter how close to the challenge topic it is. Most people just don't want to see that. Simplicity is another key element. There's a lot going on in your photo, and you really have to stare at the "mess" to figure out what's going on.
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