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03/18/2005 12:55:24 AM · #101 |
| I believe this to have been a valuable discussion. Thank everybody who participated. I hope each person will follow Shannon's lead and only attempt to fool the eye and not the voters. That is an important distinction. |
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03/18/2005 01:03:40 AM · #102 |
It's the anti-trolls I'm worried about...I only vote 1-7.
Look for a barcode on the forehead and glossy eyes with a big grin...chances are you've found the anti-troll. [/quote]
I hope you're joking. I see far tooooo many 1's scored on so many photos that soo don't deserve it, that I have visions of these people with rooms full of velvet Elvis paintings, painted badly, crushing beer cans on their foreheads and bathing once a month ;-) There are too many folks (that should give their heads a shake or at least put their joint down for a second) voting 1-3 on photos that obviously do not deserve it. |
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03/18/2005 04:55:27 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Hey Robert:
Cool. Then you have overshadowed my reasoning. My full apologies. |
Ah, that's ok. I was ill-advised to state it in that manner. I should have stuck with something unambiguous like "The question was, 'Is there any such thing as illegal editing in the creation of a backdrop image?' and the answer is 'No.'"
It's all good.
Robt. |
just so i'm clear on this basic editing stuff??
I can create a backdrop, with all kinds of advanced editing, and use it for the main part of my photo as long as i have something in it for a basic editing photograph? like my finger pointing at the picture? Is that how i'm reading this???? I'm so confused with all the trolls and anti-trolls pushing their way around me to read all the entries in this thread.
Message edited by author 2005-03-18 17:07:58. |
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03/18/2005 04:57:37 PM · #104 |
Just to clarify something in another thread that has been locked and redirected here --
Had the picture been just the computer monitor, it would have been dq'ed as shots of that nature have been done in the past. There has to be another (fairly substantial) element of the shot to avoid this.
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03/18/2005 05:01:39 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by lyta:
It's the anti-trolls I'm worried about...I only vote 1-7.
Look for a barcode on the forehead and glossy eyes with a big grin...chances are you've found the anti-troll.
I hope you're joking. I see far tooooo many 1's scored on so many photos that soo don't deserve it, that I have visions of these people with rooms full of velvet Elvis paintings, painted badly, crushing beer cans on their foreheads and bathing once a month ;-) There are too many folks (that should give their heads a shake or at least put their joint down for a second) voting 1-3 on photos that obviously do not deserve it. |
I guess I'm a Troll. I recently gave a 1 to a photo that will score pretty well. If the the photo (not exact same photo but same photo, shot a few days earlier standing in same position with the same lighting) hadnt been in the forum, with the photographer asking people's critics on it I would have rated this photo a lot better, but with the photographer getting good reactions to the photo then reshooting it in the time frame then entering it in the next competition.... well.. that to me wasnt right.. so I gave it a 1. Maybe that wasnt right, but thats why i voted a 1 on a photo.
Message edited by author 2005-03-18 17:06:48. |
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03/18/2005 05:06:57 PM · #106 |
I'm just not too big on the whole creating a background for one specific shot that isn't just used to enhance the photo, but to make it work and be part of the subject.
I was really impressed when i saw it, thinking that he actually held the bulb up to the moon and used somthing in the bulb to fill the gap and create the moon shaped bulb. I was dissapointed to find out how the image was created.
Obviously, I don't see the stars above this gloomy craphole i live in enough to decipher real from a monitor! lol. |
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03/18/2005 05:07:31 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by di53:
I guess I'm a Troll. I recently gave a 1 to a photo that will score pretty well. If the the photo (not exact same photo but same photo, shot a few days earlier standing in same position with the same lighting) hadnt been in the forum, with the photographer asking people's critics on it I would have rated this photo a lot better, but with the photographer getting good reactions to the photo then reshooting it in the time frame then entering it in the next competition.... well.. that to me wasnt right.. so I gave it a 1. Maybe that wasnt right, but thats why i voted a 1 on a photo. |
I am happy to see this brought up; it is a bit of a "pet peeve" of mine seeing photos right before a challenge on a person's linked website or in the forums being discussed. There is no rule per se, but I agree that common decency would hold you back from this.
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03/18/2005 05:09:07 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
Originally posted by di53:
I guess I'm a Troll. I recently gave a 1 to a photo that will score pretty well. If the the photo (not exact same photo but same photo, shot a few days earlier standing in same position with the same lighting) hadnt been in the forum, with the photographer asking people's critics on it I would have rated this photo a lot better, but with the photographer getting good reactions to the photo then reshooting it in the time frame then entering it in the next competition.... well.. that to me wasnt right.. so I gave it a 1. Maybe that wasnt right, but thats why i voted a 1 on a photo. |
I am happy to see this brought up; it is a bit of a "pet peeve" of mine seeing photos right before a challenge on a person's linked website or in the forums being discussed. There is no rule per se, but I agree that common decency would hold you back from this. |
You can darn bet if someone says its a bad photo that they dont put it in the next challenge....
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03/18/2005 05:12:29 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by di53:
Originally posted by Kylie:
Originally posted by di53:
I guess I'm a Troll. I recently gave a 1 to a photo that will score pretty well. If the the photo (not exact same photo but same photo, shot a few days earlier standing in same position with the same lighting) hadnt been in the forum, with the photographer asking people's critics on it I would have rated this photo a lot better, but with the photographer getting good reactions to the photo then reshooting it in the time frame then entering it in the next competition.... well.. that to me wasnt right.. so I gave it a 1. Maybe that wasnt right, but thats why i voted a 1 on a photo. |
I am happy to see this brought up; it is a bit of a "pet peeve" of mine seeing photos right before a challenge on a person's linked website or in the forums being discussed. There is no rule per se, but I agree that common decency would hold you back from this. |
You can darn bet if someone says its a bad photo that they dont put it in the next challenge.... |
I have entered many challenge photos (that I probably shouldn't have) even after getting a couple opinions (that they weren'tr so great); if I still think it's "right" for me, then I will go ahead. But I think that shoiwng it in your online portfolio or in a thread, gives you a chance to test out its "wow" power, and that I think is taking advantage and not right. Just a personal opinion, obviously.
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03/18/2005 05:15:00 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
Originally posted by di53:
Originally posted by Kylie:
Originally posted by di53:
I guess I'm a Troll. I recently gave a 1 to a photo that will score pretty well. If the the photo (not exact same photo but same photo, shot a few days earlier standing in same position with the same lighting) hadnt been in the forum, with the photographer asking people's critics on it I would have rated this photo a lot better, but with the photographer getting good reactions to the photo then reshooting it in the time frame then entering it in the next competition.... well.. that to me wasnt right.. so I gave it a 1. Maybe that wasnt right, but thats why i voted a 1 on a photo. |
I am happy to see this brought up; it is a bit of a "pet peeve" of mine seeing photos right before a challenge on a person's linked website or in the forums being discussed. There is no rule per se, but I agree that common decency would hold you back from this. |
You can darn bet if someone says its a bad photo that they dont put it in the next challenge.... |
I have entered many challenge photos (that I probably shouldn't have) even after getting a couple opinions (that they weren'tr so great); if I still think it's "right" for me, then I will go ahead. But I think that shoiwng it in your online portfolio or in a thread, gives you a chance to test out its "wow" power, and that I think is taking advantage and not right. Just a personal opinion, obviously. |
Its my opinion also |
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03/18/2005 05:16:26 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by DrewLong:
I was dissapointed to find out how the image was created. |
Sorry to hear that. I could have held a clear bulb up to the moon with a long lens (my first thought), or painted the moon onto a low-wattage white bulb (time consuming, but do-able). My other plan was to print this out on transparent film, then backlight it with a huge lightbox and show somebody up on a ladder "changing" the moon, but the smaller moon would be harder to see. In the end, I went with the monitor approach. The are literally dozens of examples of monitor or TV backgrounds used in past challenges, so it's not like this is a new thing.
I take it as a compliment that so many people couldn't tell the background was a monitor. That means I did a good job photographically. I'm sure you would be just as disappointed to learn the "secret" behind many illusions.
Message edited by author 2005-03-18 17:19:47. |
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03/18/2005 05:22:49 PM · #112 |
I must agree. I have asked friends "hey which one of these should i enter?" or "what do you think of this, i might enter it?" but all threw email. once a photo hits a forum, noone wants to see it again in a challenge, plus then they know who's it is and it might get a low rating just because they remember that you're the guy that said thier poodle looks like a piece of shitzu on the pet pic thread.
I like putting my good photos on my portfolio but if it's one that i think i might go reshoot for a challenge even if at a completely different angle, i won't put it up just so it's a fresh photo for their eyes if i do reshoot and enter it. |
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03/18/2005 05:28:27 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by DrewLong:
I must agree. I have asked friends "hey which one of these should i enter?" or "what do you think of this, i might enter it?" but all threw email. once a photo hits a forum, noone wants to see it again in a challenge, plus then they know who's it is and it might get a low rating just because they remember that you're the guy that said thier poodle looks like a piece of shitzu on the pet pic thread.
I like putting my good photos on my portfolio but if it's one that i think i might go reshoot for a challenge even if at a completely different angle, i won't put it up just so it's a fresh photo for their eyes if i do reshoot and enter it. |
What's your opinion, if any, about having it posted on something like SmugMug that you link your signature to?
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03/18/2005 05:35:06 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
Originally posted by DrewLong:
I must agree. I have asked friends "hey which one of these should i enter?" or "what do you think of this, i might enter it?" but all threw email. once a photo hits a forum, noone wants to see it again in a challenge, plus then they know who's it is and it might get a low rating just because they remember that you're the guy that said thier poodle looks like a piece of shitzu on the pet pic thread.
I like putting my good photos on my portfolio but if it's one that i think i might go reshoot for a challenge even if at a completely different angle, i won't put it up just so it's a fresh photo for their eyes if i do reshoot and enter it. |
What's your opinion, if any, about having it posted on something like SmugMug that you link your signature to? |
Its my opinion that the photo shouldn't go on the other site until the challenge you have it entered in is over.
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03/18/2005 05:42:54 PM · #115 |
hmmm, hard to say. I guess that's a little different, since it's not the same people on this website who might be viewing it in a forum and then seeing again in a challenge, sooooo hmmmm. . .yup still stumped.
It is an online public opinion, but there's nothig wrong with that, but are we talkin one you took and wanted to see if you should enter or it for the current challenge, cause there's nothin wrong with that, but it's just the reshoot thing, that may be an issue. not that it's wrong, but I think it's just going to get lower scores if voters have seen it before, because they will think it's less creative to have a shot that you go back to just because it worked for the challenge and you didn't go make a new idea or shot. Not that it's wrong to do so but Just don't show people it get opinions, and reshoot it and enter it. . . .what am even saying? i've confused myself!. . .I've gone crosseyed! I have to leave work. . .why am I still here? . . |
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03/18/2005 05:46:39 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by DrewLong:
hmmm, hard to say. I guess that's a little different, since it's not the same people on this website who might be viewing it in a forum and then seeing again in a challenge, sooooo hmmmm. . .yup still stumped.
It is an online public opinion, but there's nothig wrong with that, but are we talkin one you took and wanted to see if you should enter or it for the current challenge, cause there's nothin wrong with that, but it's just the reshoot thing, that may be an issue. not that it's wrong, but I think it's just going to get lower scores if voters have seen it before, because they will think it's less creative to have a shot that you go back to just because it worked for the challenge and you didn't go make a new idea or shot. Not that it's wrong to do so but Just don't show people it get opinions, and reshoot it and enter it. . . .what am even saying? i've confused myself!. . .I've gone crosseyed! I have to leave work. . .why am I still here? . . |
Thanks - it was really just curiosity to see how others felt. It is not any of my images I was referring to. I have seen some members who regularly have other DPC'ers looking at their other site, like a Smugmug account, and then after getting support for the photo, enter it in a challenge. Just a personal curiosity to see if it bothers anyone but me. Thanks for the feedback, and di53, too!
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03/18/2005 05:50:50 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
Originally posted by DrewLong:
hmmm, hard to say. I guess that's a little different, since it's not the same people on this website who might be viewing it in a forum and then seeing again in a challenge, sooooo hmmmm. . .yup still stumped.
It is an online public opinion, but there's nothig wrong with that, but are we talkin one you took and wanted to see if you should enter or it for the current challenge, cause there's nothin wrong with that, but it's just the reshoot thing, that may be an issue. not that it's wrong, but I think it's just going to get lower scores if voters have seen it before, because they will think it's less creative to have a shot that you go back to just because it worked for the challenge and you didn't go make a new idea or shot. Not that it's wrong to do so but Just don't show people it get opinions, and reshoot it and enter it. . . .what am even saying? i've confused myself!. . .I've gone crosseyed! I have to leave work. . .why am I still here? . . |
Thanks - it was really just curiosity to see how others felt. It is not any of my images I was referring to. I have seen some members who regularly have other DPC'ers looking at their other site, like a Smugmug account, and then after getting support for the photo, enter it in a challenge. Just a personal curiosity to see if it bothers anyone but me. Thanks for the feedback, and di53, too! |
i think it's one thing to have one or two people take a look at an entry, in private, but it's another thing altogether to put a challenge entry out into a public forum of any type, dpc or otherwise... |
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