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03/16/2005 10:43:34 AM · #1 |
Scalvert's Nightbulb entry for Surrealism got no less than twenty-six votes with a score of four or under. It got the blue ribbon.
Octane202's entry recieved twenty four-and-under votes. It got the red ribbon.
Labuda's Bodhisattva thirty-four of the like. It got the yellow ribbon.
My own (the one with the 'giant' parrot in the nursery), which doesn't light a candle to theirs by any means, but scored in the seventy-seventh percentile nontheless, recieved thirty-five votes that were three-and-under (I won't whine about fours; with mine, I can understand fours).
I know there's so-called 'trolls' on the site that like to score other's low for the sake of boosting the rankings on their own entries, but this is downright ridiculous--a combined eighty votes of four and under assigned to the ribboner's photographs. I'm curious to hear from any of these scorers if they felt they had any legitimate reason for scoring those ribboning pictures so lowly. Anyone wanna speak/fess up?
-Annette
Message edited by author 2005-03-16 11:10:40.
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03/16/2005 10:51:29 AM · #2 |
I can see what's coming :P
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03/16/2005 10:52:23 AM · #3 |
I think there might have been some confusion on this challenge regarding the definition of Surrealism, and some people may have voted low assuming that the images were illegally edited (even though you're not supposed to). Regardless, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, and I think five entries with a score over 7 is a very good result.
P.S.- I'm starting to really enjoy the "-ism" challenges. ;-) |
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03/16/2005 10:52:51 AM · #4 |
CROWD:
A troll! A troll!
[bonk]
A troll! A troll!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
CROWD:
A troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! We've found a troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! We've got a troll! A troll! A troll! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a troll! We've found a troll! A troll! A troll! A troll!
VILLAGER #1:
We have found a troll. May we burn her?
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE:
How do you know she is a troll?
VILLAGER #2:
She looks like one.
CROWD:
Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE:
Bring her forward.
TROLL:
I'm not a troll. I'm not a troll.
BEDEVERE:
Uh, but you are dressed as one.
TROLL:
They dressed me up like this.
CROWD:
Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
TROLL:
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
BEDEVERE:
Well?
VILLAGER #1:
Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE:
The nose?
VILLAGER #1:
And the hat, but she is a troll!
VILLAGER #2:
Yeah!
CROWD:
We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE:
Did you dress her up like this?
VILLAGER #1:
No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes.
VILLAGER #2:
Yes.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
A bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGER #1:
She has got a wart.
RANDOM:
[cough]
BEDEVERE:
What makes you think she is a troll?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, she voted less than 5.
BEDEVERE:
A newt?
VILLAGER #3:
I got better.
VILLAGER #2:
Burn her anyway!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...
BEDEVERE:
Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a troll.
VILLAGER #1:
Are there?
VILLAGER #2:
Ah?
VILLAGER #1:
What are they?
CROWD:
Tell us! Tell us!...
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with trolls?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from trolls?
VILLAGER #1:
More trolls!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do trolls burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A troll!
VILLAGER #1:
A troll!
CROWD:
A troll! A troll!...
VILLAGER #4:
Here is a duck. Use this duck.
[quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE:
Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD:
Ohh! Ohh! Burn the troll! Burn the troll! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...
BEDEVERE:
Right. Remove the supports!
[whop]
[clunk]
[creak]
CROWD:
A troll! A troll! A troll!
TROLL:
It's a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3:
Burn her!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...
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03/16/2005 10:54:35 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by bod:
CROWD:
A troll! A troll!
[bonk]
A troll! A troll!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
CROWD:
A troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! We've found a troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! We've got a troll! A troll! A troll! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a troll! We've found a troll! A troll! A troll! A troll!
VILLAGER #1:
We have found a troll. May we burn her?
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE:
How do you know she is a troll?
VILLAGER #2:
She looks like one.
CROWD:
Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE:
Bring her forward.
TROLL:
I'm not a troll. I'm not a troll.
BEDEVERE:
Uh, but you are dressed as one.
TROLL:
They dressed me up like this.
CROWD:
Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
TROLL:
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
BEDEVERE:
Well?
VILLAGER #1:
Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE:
The nose?
VILLAGER #1:
And the hat, but she is a troll!
VILLAGER #2:
Yeah!
CROWD:
We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE:
Did you dress her up like this?
VILLAGER #1:
No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes.
VILLAGER #2:
Yes.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
A bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGER #1:
She has got a wart.
RANDOM:
[cough]
BEDEVERE:
What makes you think she is a troll?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, she voted less than 5.
BEDEVERE:
A newt?
VILLAGER #3:
I got better.
VILLAGER #2:
Burn her anyway!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...
BEDEVERE:
Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a troll.
VILLAGER #1:
Are there?
VILLAGER #2:
Ah?
VILLAGER #1:
What are they?
CROWD:
Tell us! Tell us!...
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with trolls?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from trolls?
VILLAGER #1:
More trolls!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do trolls burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A troll!
VILLAGER #1:
A troll!
CROWD:
A troll! A troll!...
VILLAGER #4:
Here is a duck. Use this duck.
[quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE:
Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD:
Ohh! Ohh! Burn the troll! Burn the troll! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...
BEDEVERE:
Right. Remove the supports!
[whop]
[clunk]
[creak]
CROWD:
A troll! A troll! A troll!
TROLL:
It's a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3:
Burn her!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!... |
Okay, you got me, I didn't see this coming! lol
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03/16/2005 10:54:46 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I can see what's coming :P |
Were you right? : )
EDIT: you answered before I asked ... you're good!
With apologies to the Monty Python crew.
Message edited by author 2005-03-16 10:55:42.
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03/16/2005 10:55:52 AM · #7 |
i think 1 and 3 where thought to have been photoshopped, and 2 lacked contrast (which some people may not like). Like it or not, I think people vote down images they believe to be faked (photoshopped). The #3 image is an obvious example of that.
(for the record, i didn't get to vote on all the images and never saw 1 and 2 until today, but i did give Labuda a 10). |
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03/16/2005 10:58:38 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Okay, you got me, I didn't see this coming! lol |
Anybody who saw that coming should be in a straightjacket for our own protection. ROFL! |
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03/16/2005 11:01:04 AM · #9 |
In response to the Monty Pyton and the Holy Grail excerpt-
I thought it was a witch? Anyway, quite fitting, and it made me laugh REALLY hard.
-Annette
Message edited by author 2005-03-16 11:10:57.
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03/16/2005 11:01:44 AM · #10 |
Apologies to Catbird too - that wasn't aimed at you ... just the result of 2 and a half years of "troll voter" threads, a slow day at work and the mind of a raving loony : )
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03/16/2005 11:04:14 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Catbird:
In response to the Monty Pyton and the Holy Grail excerpt-
I thought it was a witch? Anyway, quite fitting, and it made me laugh REALLY hard. |
Yep it was a witch, but it fits too well. Glad you enjoyed it : )
As an apology, take the spaces out of this and put it in your signature to make it clickable ...
[ url=//eyeperture.tripod.com ]My Website[ /url ]
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03/16/2005 11:11:40 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by Catbird:
In response to the Monty Pyton and the Holy Grail excerpt-
I thought it was a witch? Anyway, quite fitting, and it made me laugh REALLY hard. |
Yep it was a witch, but it fits too well. Glad you enjoyed it : )
As an apology, take the spaces out of this and put it in your signature to make it clickable ...
[ url=//eyeperture.tripod.com ]My Website[ /url ] |
Thanks! Worked like a charm.
-Annette
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03/16/2005 11:14:42 AM · #13 |
i liked your entry!
Originally posted by Catbird:
Scalvert's Nightbulb entry for Surrealism got no less than twenty-six votes with a score of four or under. It got the blue ribbon.
Octane202's entry recieved twenty four-and-under votes. It got the red ribbon.
Labuda's Bodhisattva thirty-four of the like. It got the yellow ribbon.
My own (the one with the 'giant' parrot in the nursery), which doesn't light a candle to theirs by any means, but scored in the seventy-seventh percentile nontheless, recieved thirty-five votes that were three-and-under (I won't whine about fours; with mine, I can understand fours).
I know there's so-called 'trolls' on the site that like to score other's low for the sake of boosting the rankings on their own entries, but this is downright ridiculous--a combined eighty votes of four and under assigned to the ribboner's photographs. I'm curious to hear from any of these scorers if they felt they had any legitimate reason for scoring those ribboning pictures so lowly. Anyone wanna speak/fess up?
-Annette |
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03/16/2005 11:23:08 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by bod:
CROWD:
A troll! A troll!
[bonk]
A troll! A troll!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
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Bod has given us quite a renaissance entertainment here. Bravo Bod, viva!
I wonder if we could have an American version with a lynch mob in it and a veritable Texan accent?
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03/16/2005 11:36:26 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by bod:
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Okay, you got me, I didn't see this coming! lol |
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Our chief weapon is fear and surprise! Our two weapons are fear, surprise, ruthless effectiveness ... ah bugger.
/Andrew
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03/16/2005 11:55:45 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I think there might have been some confusion on this challenge regarding the definition of Surrealism, and some people may have voted low assuming that the images were illegally edited (even though you're not supposed to). Regardless, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, and I think five entries with a score over 7 is a very good result.
P.S.- I'm starting to really enjoy the "-ism" challenges. ;-) |
Scalvert, you in principle violated the challenge rules by combining two images to create your wonderful image (I personally think it is great!). The rules clearly state that your entry must be a single image and not composed of two or more images or elements from two or more images. Photographing the second image on your monitor is a clever way of getting around the requirements and the SC (apparently) thinks this acceptable.
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03/16/2005 12:21:52 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
Scalvert, you in principle violated the challenge rules by combining two images... |
Nonsense. Manufactured backgrounds are nothing new here, whether paper prints or projected on a screen, and what I captured in camera was the illusion of a scene in a single shot. I've used a similar approach before...
You can find plenty of examples throughout the site, including this ribbbon winner by EddyG (formerly on the SC):
What I can't do is create everything on the computer and just take a picture of the screen. Technically, I could probably just park a pencil in front of the screen to make such a shot legal, but I do try to make the foreground elements a crucial part of the composition.
Message edited by author 2005-03-16 12:24:25. |
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03/16/2005 12:25:26 PM · #18 |
Yeah, I know. And the technique is very effective, yielding some exceptional images. Incidently, does not violate the 'letter' of the rules.
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03/16/2005 12:28:00 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
Incidently, does not violate the 'letter' of the rules. |
Correct. Using a minor element to get around the literal artwork aspect (like the pencil I alluded to), would violate the spirit of the rules. FWIW, the background doesn't have to be a monitor or print to yield an similar illusion. This is a great example...
Message edited by author 2005-03-16 12:32:01. |
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03/16/2005 12:43:05 PM · #20 |
I gave you a 7
It was a great idea! one of the better ones in the competition. |
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03/16/2005 12:43:27 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Okay, you got me, I didn't see this coming! lol |
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our cheif weapon is surprise...
Dang too late with the joke, so I have to edit for some content. While using two images does skirt the edge of what is legal, voting a shot down because you feel it might be illegal is in clear violation of the rules. As to the thought that peolpe vote low on good work to help their own scores, I think you give these voters too much credit. I have noticed that the people who get an annoying number of ribbons are the very ones who praise the other ribbon winners in their comments.
Message edited by author 2005-03-16 12:51:33. |
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03/16/2005 12:44:07 PM · #22 |
I think the spirit of the rule is that the combination is not out of camera, as in software generated combination. I do believe cameras capable of multiple exposures were permitted to do so. I do not get the impression that even the spirit of it addresses backgrounds whether hanging, projected or on screen. My read of it.. I have been wrong a time or two however...;-)
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03/16/2005 12:51:19 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by ElGordo:
Incidently, does not violate the 'letter' of the rules. |
Correct. Using a minor element to get around the literal artwork aspect (like the pencil I alluded to), would violate the spirit of the rules. FWIW, the background doesn't have to be a monitor or print to yield an similar illusion. This is a great example...
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I'm aware of the many precedents for using backdrop images in a variety of ways, and I don't even blink an eye at that.
The part that I find interesting is that the "backdrop" on your image is actually pretty much the "subject", in that the moon "is" the bulb, and the image of the moon has been altered in the computer (to make it into the shape of a bulb) in a manner that is not allowed under basic editing rules. This is a huge gray area in my eyes.
Understand, I think the image is fantastic and I think the ribbon is well-deserved; but I'm wowrried about a pandora's box of photoshop special effects being opened by this example, where the backdrop image can be manipulated in any way that pleases the photographer as long as it is then "reshot" and the "actual" submitted image is legally edited...
Robt.
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03/16/2005 01:04:58 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by bod:
CROWD:
A troll! A troll!
[bonk]
A troll! A troll!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
CROWD:
A troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! We've found a troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! A troll! We've got a troll! A troll! A troll! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a troll! We've found a troll! A troll! A troll! A troll!
VILLAGER #1:
We have found a troll. May we burn her?
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE:
How do you know she is a troll?
VILLAGER #2:
She looks like one.
CROWD:
Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE:
Bring her forward.
TROLL:
I'm not a troll. I'm not a troll.
BEDEVERE:
Uh, but you are dressed as one.
TROLL:
They dressed me up like this.
CROWD:
Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
TROLL:
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
BEDEVERE:
Well?
VILLAGER #1:
Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE:
The nose?
VILLAGER #1:
And the hat, but she is a troll!
VILLAGER #2:
Yeah!
CROWD:
We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE:
Did you dress her up like this?
VILLAGER #1:
No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes.
VILLAGER #2:
Yes.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
A bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGER #1:
She has got a wart.
RANDOM:
[cough]
BEDEVERE:
What makes you think she is a troll?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, she voted less than 5.
BEDEVERE:
A newt?
VILLAGER #3:
I got better.
VILLAGER #2:
Burn her anyway!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...
BEDEVERE:
Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a troll.
VILLAGER #1:
Are there?
VILLAGER #2:
Ah?
VILLAGER #1:
What are they?
CROWD:
Tell us! Tell us!...
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with trolls?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from trolls?
VILLAGER #1:
More trolls!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do trolls burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A troll!
VILLAGER #1:
A troll!
CROWD:
A troll! A troll!...
VILLAGER #4:
Here is a duck. Use this duck.
[quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE:
Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD:
Ohh! Ohh! Burn the troll! Burn the troll! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...
BEDEVERE:
Right. Remove the supports!
[whop]
[clunk]
[creak]
CROWD:
A troll! A troll! A troll!
TROLL:
It's a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3:
Burn her!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!... |
so there are more of us out there.........1 only wonders; 'is that little pice of fiml in the specialaddition really from an outtake"
say i live right by Lake M. and i could've sware that Churches flote......ahhh well
i'm going to have to watch how to irratate people again....maybe some day i will be as good a thread chrasher as u......
homage to the bod
_bran(maybe if the grabed it by the husk......[well maybe an african swallow but not a euripean 1 thats all 'm sayin'])do_
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03/16/2005 01:17:11 PM · #25 |
I find the continued "quoting" of this very long post to be very rude, in that it is driving others' comments right down out of sight.
Robt.
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