other people's opinions on the afterlife?

03/10/2005 02:45:28 PM · #226

Originally posted by scottwilson:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Apart from all other debate, I picture 'heaven' to be very earth-like...just without the junk.

Hey neat, I'm already in heaven, cool.

Wow...tell me where you live and I'll be there by morning. I'm surrounded by evil (and contribute to it myself) here in southwestern Ontario...

Message edited by author 2005-03-10 14:45:42.

ebertdj

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-35mm f/2.8L

03/10/2005 02:45:47 PM · #227

Wow! Watching this thread for the just more than 4 hours and 200 posts - it obvious that everyone has their beliefs from one end of the spectrum to the other and everyone has the right to their beliefs.
Me beliefs are that God created this world and it was perfect. But rather than making us Robot like he allowed us choices - This allowed sin to come into the picture - The ramifications of this choice creates the world we live in - Do you really think that God wants death, poverty and sickness? I believe once sin entered this world and the choices were made - we all live all live with that outcome.....

The thought that we just are or everthing just became on their own - puzzles me because especially all of us as photographers see and study things of this world - probably more intently than most - and no matter what we look at - be it buildings, bridges, roads ..... they were all created by someone! So When we look at the detail of nature - do we not think - Wow - I wonder who created that? It does say in the Bible that everyone will be without excuse as even Nature points to the creator - If someone is wondering how to get this relationship with god - he will send someone to them .... It's a real overwhelming topic - so I will just listen for a while

ebertdj@hotmail.com

hopper

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Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

03/10/2005 02:46:15 PM · #228

heaven is smoke free, my friend :)

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Apart from all other debate, I picture 'heaven' to be very earth-like...just without the junk.

I think we will finally begin to understand who God is but we will always be learning more about and from him. I picture lots of exploring. I know that I will be able to smoke cigarettes again in heaven (finally!) and I assume that we will enjoy things we've only 'dreamt' about...the sensation of flying, being in space, being able to love completely, understand God's absolute concept of beauty.

I've often wondered how sex will translate in the eternal realm...I mean, it's one of the beauties of creation, what is the full and complete version of it without all the garbage to screw it up?

I will finally begin to understand who I am, who God has created me to be...I will know my friends and family completely and understand them as well. I won't get toothaches and my eye will finally stop twitching. I will breath deep the very presence of God.

03/10/2005 02:47:14 PM · #229

Originally posted by hopper:

heaven is smoke free, my friend :)

Impossible! How will I enjoy my Dominican Republican cigars?

I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to have a DuMaurier Light King Size cigarette in heaven...even talking about it makes me crave it...

Message edited by author 2005-03-10 14:48:14.

toddnicholsphotography

Canon EOS-20D

03/10/2005 02:47:20 PM · #230

I believe in some form of afterlife! OUr bodies are energy and you can't destroy energy! Einstien proved that!

scottwilson

Canon EF 28mm f/2.8

03/10/2005 02:47:23 PM · #231

Originally posted by hopper:

heaven is smoke free, my friend :)

I do believe there is a smoking section in hell however.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/10/2005 02:48:46 PM · #232

Originally posted by scottwilson:

Originally posted by hopper:
heaven is smoke free, my friend :)

I do believe there is a smoking section in hell however.

I'll have to reconsider then...who gets the Canon gear?

blindjustice

Canon EOS-7D

03/10/2005 02:52:12 PM · #233

I am pretty sure there is an afterlife for me, but i am not sure about everyone else.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

03/10/2005 02:53:32 PM · #234

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by scottwilson:

Originally posted by hopper:
heaven is smoke free, my friend :)

I do believe there is a smoking section in hell however.

I'll have to reconsider then...who gets the Canon gear?

Interesting point; another question:

What are the whitebalance temperatures in Kelvin for heaven and hell?

scottwilson

Canon EF 135mm f/2.0L USM

Canon EF 28mm f/2.8

03/10/2005 03:00:23 PM · #235

Originally posted by toddnicholsphotography:

I believe in some form of afterlife! OUr bodies are energy and you can't destroy energy! Einstien proved that!

Actually Einstein did not prove that, what he showed was that there is an equivalence between mass and energy.

We observe that for a given system energy/mass is not created or destroyed but there is no prove that it can not be, at least no proof yet.

And whereas energy might not be destroyed our current knowledge says that entropy, the distorted of the energy, is always increasing.

lentil

Canon EOS-5D

03/10/2005 03:01:31 PM · #236

WOW!
When i started this i didnt want to start a religious debate. I was after a simple answer actually. Afterlife beliefs yes or no. I guess i mean do you believe in ghosts. Do you believe that when people/animals pass that they can contact you in some way. I absolutely believe this 100%. If you dont believe that is fine. If you do, i am really interested in hearing your stories. That is all i wanted to know. I am sorry if once again a simple question i asked turns into this. I am taking mental notes to make sure i be careful what i ask.
lisa

scottwilson

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Canon EF 28mm f/2.8

03/10/2005 03:02:09 PM · #237

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by scottwilson:

Originally posted by hopper:
heaven is smoke free, my friend :)

I do believe there is a smoking section in hell however.

I'll have to reconsider then...who gets the Canon gear?

Interesting point; another question:

What are the whitebalance temperatures in Kelvin for heaven and hell?

I think heaven it is something like 6000K, for hell, who the hell knows?

rscorp

Nikon D70

03/10/2005 03:04:10 PM · #238

Here's my opinion for what it's worth:

I am a Christian, though I do believe many, many things have been changed, edited and altered concerning the Bible over the years. For example, there was a large period of history in Europe where most were illiterate, except for the rulers and clergy who were often one in the same. The Bible has been re-written and edited by them several times to suit their purpose. What better way to gain more control over the masses than by religion?

There is a lot of evidence that entire books have been taken out, others re-written, and many translated completely wrong from the original languages into the new. So who is to say that everything in the Bible is 100% true anymore?

I also tend to believe in the idea of reincarnation. I've seen many things in my life that makes me believe it's possible. I once saw a show about a child about 5 years old who was having dreams at night, reliving being shot down in WW2 by the Japanese. His mother thought he might be nuts but he eventually came out and said his former name, his ship, and when he was shot down. She did the research and there it was.

For my own experience with that, I have a little niece in Italy who is now 8. When she was younger she asked my wife's sister ( her aunt, not her mother) "Aunt Germana, remember how we were all together before we were born? Why did you and aunt Francesca decide to be born before me? I had to wait"

Strange, given the fact that no one had EVER spoken to her about reincarnation before in her life, and still haven't. She has also said that NEXT time, she wants my wife to be her mother, Germana to be her father and her mom to be her brother or something like that.

Many devout Christians dismiss alternate lives and say people who believe in that are going to Hell. I'm not so sure. I'm of the mind that I have what I beleive, and I'll find out when I die. Other than that, I'm not going to judge anyone else for believing what they do.

scalvert

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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/10/2005 03:04:37 PM · #239

Originally posted by scottwilson:

What are the whitebalance temperatures in Kelvin for heaven and hell?

I don't know if Hell is measured in Kelvin, but Heaven is generally regarded as above us, and it must be Fair in Height.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

03/10/2005 03:05:16 PM · #240

I think the discussion has had a reasonable flow to it, with grace being shown by both sides.

Lentil, when you ask about afterlife, you delve into the spiritual (by definition).

Oh, and my answer is yes.

redmondson01

Pentax K50

03/10/2005 03:05:39 PM · #241

Originally posted by lenkphotos:

I'd like to propose that God (or "god"), being all powerful and all-knowing, come down (or "over") here, post a reply on this message board and clear the matter up for all of us. There's just too much at stake (and I DON'T mean DPC ribbons).

Heck. He has been all over my neck of the woods... Anyone else seen these on the road?

Let's meet at my house Sunday before the game. -God
C'mon over and bring the kids. -God
What part of "Thou Shalt Not..." didn't you understand? -God
We need to talk. -God
Keep using my name in vain, I'll make rush hour longer. -God
Loved the wedding, invite me to the marriage. -God
That "Love Thy Neighbor" thing... I meant it. -God
I love you and you and you and you and... -God
Will the road you're on get you to my place? -God
Follow me. -God
Big bang theory, you've got to be kidding. -God
My way is the highway. -God
Need directions? -God
You think it's hot here? -God
Have you read my #1 best seller? There will be a test. -God
Do you have any idea where you're going? -God
Don't make me come down there. -God

;)

Message edited by author 2005-03-10 15:14:25.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/10/2005 03:06:48 PM · #242

Originally posted by rscorp:

For my own experience with that, I have a little niece in Italy who is now 8. When she was younger she asked my wife's sister ( her aunt, not her mother) "Aunt Germana, remember how we were all together before we were born? Why did you and aunt Francesca decide to be born before me? I had to wait"

Now that is crazy-cool.

lwkimages

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

03/10/2005 03:07:24 PM · #243

Originally posted by lentil:

Ahhh.. I see. Then yes.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/10/2005 03:08:38 PM · #244

Originally posted by redmondson01:

Let's meet at my house Sunday before the game. -God
C'mon over and bring the kids. -God
What part of "Thou Shalt Not..." didn't you understand? -God
We need to talk. -God
Keep using my name in vain, I'll make rush hour longer. -God
Loved the wedding, invite me to the marriage. -God
That "Love Thy Neighbor" thing... I meant it. -God
I love you and you and you and you and... -God
Will the road you're on get you to my place? -God
Follow me. -God
Big bang theory, you've got to be kidding. -God
My way is the highway. -God
Need directions? -God
You think it's hot here? -God
Have you read my #1 best seller? There will be a test. -God
Do you have any idea where you're going? -God
Don't make me come down there. -God

Gee...and why do people think christians are so obnoxious?

My apologies on behalf of these embarassing road signs and the smart-ass God they seem to represent...I don't know him.

Message edited by author 2005-03-10 15:09:31.

GoldBerry

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03/10/2005 03:09:23 PM · #245

I don't know a single Christian who hasn't given TONS of thought to what Heaven is like :-) Heaven is described in quite a lot of detail in scripture. I just can't remember the actual descriptions. Sorry! Someone more versed could tell you more. I do remember God talking about the heavenly city descending that is solid gold and has streets paved with jewels.

blindjustice

Canon EOS-7D

03/10/2005 03:12:49 PM · #246

If you talk about anything enough you will find a reason to believe.
Aliens? nah
Ghosts? no way?

lets stop[ kidding ourselves about these two.

Afterlife, maybe but not apparent or provable. Matter of faith. thats the point.

redmondson01

Pentax K50

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

03/10/2005 03:18:17 PM · #247

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Will we need money in the afterlife? Crap! I spent all mine on camera toys.

Message edited by author 2005-03-10 15:18:41.

lonewolf

Canon EOS-50D

03/10/2005 03:19:04 PM · #248

I hope there is an afterlife because I am tired of this one.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

03/10/2005 03:21:49 PM · #249

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Any description of this type of a heavenly city is obviously not from any god.. but from greedy *humans*, speaking *for* their god(s)..

tristalisk