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03/07/2005 11:40:11 AM · #1 |
couldn't find it in the rules that disallows it unless it is concidered spot editing so could someone please tell me
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03/07/2005 11:41:22 AM · #2 |
| I think that's spot-editing -- you are changing some pixels selectively. |
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03/07/2005 11:41:29 AM · #3 |
| pretty sure it isn't allowed. Almost certainly comes under spot editing. |
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03/07/2005 11:42:18 AM · #4 |
Any tool that effects only a part of an image is considered spot editing, including the 'eraser' tool, and is thus not permitted in Basic.
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03/07/2005 11:42:27 AM · #5 |
| thanks...back to the drawing board for me...heheh |
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03/07/2005 11:42:52 AM · #6 |
| erasing what? If you can't use layers, I don't see purpose in erasing anyways. Not allowed. |
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03/07/2005 11:48:37 AM · #7 |
| plexxoid i was erasing part of the hue sat layer for dsat.. that is what i was trying to do.. anyway not even sure if what I was tryiong to do was really surrealism anyway I put it in my portfolio though..if anyone would like to take a look and tell me what you think i would appreciate it...the pic is called paint it black |
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03/07/2005 11:49:02 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Plexxoid:
erasing what? If you can't use layers, I don't see purpose in erasing anyways. Not allowed. |
The eraser can be set to a low percentage value and used in lieu of the dodge tool. I think he was wondering if the eraser (which is not specifically mentioned in the rules) could be used as a stand-in for dodging, which is explicitly forbidden. The answer, of course (as manic pointed out) is no.
Robt.
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03/07/2005 12:03:16 PM · #9 |
| ahh, I forgot about adjustment layers... |
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03/07/2005 02:57:05 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Plexxoid:
ahh, I forgot about adjustment layers... |
no prob... never mind the eraser i don't think it was surrealism anyway..not abstact enough..after i entered it i started to look at some dali stuff and i misses the mark completely.. |
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03/07/2005 03:21:34 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Anni:
Originally posted by Plexxoid:
ahh, I forgot about adjustment layers... |
no prob... never mind the eraser i don't think it was surrealism anyway..not abstact enough..after i entered it i started to look at some dali stuff and i misses the mark completely.. |
Dali is NOT the be-all and end-all of surrealism, though. Surrealism is an intellectual construct, a realm of the unconscious, the juxtaposition of strange things and ideas into a single whole. It soesn't have to be abstract in the pictorial sense; indeed, it usually shiuld NOT be. A more accurate approach to what art and literary historians call "surrealism" would incorporate realistic, identifiable objects in bizarre juxtaposions. Look at the work of Marcel Duchamp for an idea of what else falls under the heading "surrealism"; he and Dali are not even in the same cosmos...
Robt.
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03/08/2005 09:12:45 AM · #12 |
| oh thanks so much bear. i was thinking of doing a doorway in the sky kind of thing but i have NOO idea how I would set that one up under the basic edit. |
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03/08/2005 09:26:45 AM · #13 |
Thanks again, Bear, for so carefully articulating the intellectual framework around which we form our ideas for these challenges. I read your entries on the thread for the Ansel Adams challenge, and even though I had some intuitive sense about his work and his style, your comments helped me immensely. Ditto here.
I almost wish there were a bear_music thread to introduce every new challenge, one that everyone would read. Even if there were disagreement, I think the dialog would help get people on the same sheet of music.
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03/08/2005 12:14:04 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by srbrubaker:
Thanks again, Bear, for so carefully articulating the intellectual framework around which we form our ideas for these challenges. I read your entries on the thread for the Ansel Adams challenge, and even though I had some intuitive sense about his work and his style, your comments helped me immensely. Ditto here.
I almost wish there were a bear_music thread to introduce every new challenge, one that everyone would read. Even if there were disagreement, I think the dialog would help get people on the same sheet of music. |
I wish the same thing, although I would not presume to call it the "Bear_Music Thread", as there are any number of members who can always be counted on to weigh in with considered comments on the "mental" underpinnings of a challenge. Certianly, for those of us who take pleasure in "somposing" our work intellectually before shooting it, this would be helpful.
Robt.
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03/08/2005 12:26:41 PM · #15 |
On the other hand it is important to recognise the difference between a photo that expresses some aspect of surrealism and a photo that is merely surreal. Surrealism is or was an art movement and there has to be something a little more than a feeling of the surreal to create a photo for this challenge.
I'm sure someone else could put it more clearly but I get the feeling that when a challenge stipulates an art movement in the title, one has to create a work of art that could be considered part of that movement. Of course it is every artists perogative to extend or stretch or reinterprete the conventions of that movement, but the images still have to be judged with these conventions in mind.
When I use the word 'conventions' I am definitely not talking about rules or anything so concrete but merely the themes that extend across the movement.
For what it's worth that's my interpretation and the reason I'm probably nt submitting to this challenge is that I haven't yet produced any photo that comes close to what I just described. That hasn't stopped me before , but this time I'll show some restraint.
And no, I have no idea why I started this post with 'on the other hand'.
Message edited by author 2005-03-08 12:27:49. |
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