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02/25/2005 04:27:24 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by spvanderm:
OK those of you "in the know"...boil it down for me. Here I am, less than a week before my birthday, anxiously awaiting the purchase of my 35th birthday present to myself...the 300D.
Today, I stumble upon the fact that Canon will soon be releasing the 350D. I've read this entire thread and agonized over every post. NOW WHAT DO I DO???? Do I buy the 300D, or wait a couple of weeks for the 350D??? Sheesh, there are just so darned many things to consider. I've spent months researching and had FINALLY made up my mind to buy the 300d, and now you guys hit me with this!!! Big meanies, the lot of you!!! (heh heh!)
Seriously, though, I would be interested in hearing what the consensus is on this! To 300D, or not to 300D? |
It's a no-brainer, wait for the 350D. 'Nuf said!
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02/25/2005 04:28:31 PM · #177 |
| The XT won't be going down in price for another couple months, and the 300D is much cheaper will suit your needs. I'd say get the 300D and upgrade later. |
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02/25/2005 04:28:43 PM · #178 |
I am getting ready to buy a 300D myself. I am going with the 300D because my budget is $1100. This way I can get a 1GB CF card also. The price of the 300D should drop when the XT comes out so for me it will free up more money for more goodies. So to decide what is best you need to decide what is in your budget. If it is like mine then all you can buy is the XT with the kit lens. If you buy the 300D then you can get more goodies.
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02/25/2005 04:30:40 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
It's a no-brainer, wait for the 350D. 'Nuf said! |
The 300D will probably be half the price of the XT when it comes out, makes it a bit harder. Are the new features worth it to YOU?
Message edited by author 2005-02-25 16:32:32. |
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02/25/2005 04:37:04 PM · #180 |
| Plexxoid...that's what I'm thinking. I'm such a newbie...just getting started into digital photography. I've been dabbling in 35mm for years, but digital is a whole new world. I guess by the time I master the 300D and feel I have "outgrown" it (about 10 or 20 years from now!) I'll be able to afford whatever technology has to offer at that time. Considering the price difference that will probably exist between the two,, I may as well buy the 300D with some goodies for the same price as the 350 with the kit lens! |
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02/25/2005 04:37:11 PM · #181 |
Originally posted by e301:
Europe: €899 body only
US: $899 body only
according to dpreview. The number one spot on my wish-list may have been taken.
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Typically, the UK price is £749 ... or $1,437.39.
WarehouseExpress are usually one of the cheaper retailers too.
I know we have to add on tax but this is just taking the ....
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02/25/2005 04:37:20 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by Plexxoid:
Originally posted by kirbic:
It's a no-brainer, wait for the 350D. 'Nuf said! |
The 300D will probably be half the price of the XT when it comes out. |
Uh-uh. The list of the 350D will be $899, body only. Current price on the 300D body is about $780. That's $120 difference, and may be less, since the street on the 350D might conceivably be less than list, though I doubt it...
For the additional features, it really is a no-brainer.
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02/25/2005 06:56:39 PM · #183 |
| That may be the case now, but the XT is still to come, and when it does, you just watch the price of the 300D plummet over the next few months.. |
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02/25/2005 07:12:32 PM · #184 |
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by e301:
Europe: €899 body only
US: $899 body only
according to dpreview. The number one spot on my wish-list may have been taken.
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Typically, the UK price is £749 ... or $1,437.39.
WarehouseExpress are usually one of the cheaper retailers too.
I know we have to add on tax but this is just taking the .... |
piss.
When the 20D first came out I could have sold my 300D second hand in england, and imported a brand new 20D from american with the money and still have cash to spare!
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02/25/2005 08:41:45 PM · #185 |
If you haven't seen this Rebel XT vs. 20D Comparison by Bob Atkins, check it out. It's nicely done!
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02/25/2005 11:31:38 PM · #186 |
| Good artical. I'm still gonna wait for the 30D, though. |
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02/26/2005 12:33:21 AM · #187 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
You apparently missed (and did not quote) the first part of my message. |
I didn't miss it- I DISmissed it because the pixels are neither equal sized nor equal quality. Smaller sensors have smaller pixels to increase the density. This dramatically increases noise, which is why an 8 megapixel point and shoot often can't match the quality of a 4 megapixel DSLR.
The Canon EOS-1D Mark II, Canon EOS 350XT and Canon Powershot Pro1 all have 8 megapixel sensors, but the Mark II can take perfectly clean images at ISO1600, while the same setting on a Powershot Pro1 would be unacceptably noisy. Manufacturers don't "pack just as many pixels per square centimeter into the larger frame" because the image quality deteriorates as pixel density is increased.
Cropping in the computer is not the same as crop factor. The two EOS cameras listed earlier have crop factors of 1.3X and 1.6X, respectively, so the 350XT appears to "magnify" the image projected onto the sensor. If you take a shot with the Mark II and crop it in a computer to match the 350XT, it will have less resolution, but also less noise. |
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02/26/2005 12:38:40 AM · #188 |
| IMHO, anybody who can afford the 300D now would be foolish to buy one with the 350XT coming out in a few weeks. The 300D and 350XT are nearly the same difference as a 300D and 20D- in other words, night and day. Better to wait. The 300D will drop to $799 with kit lens when the 350XT ships. That $200 difference buys you a LOT more camera. |
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02/26/2005 01:25:17 AM · #189 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you take a shot with the Mark II and crop it in a computer to match the 350XT, it will have less resolution, but also less noise. |
AHA! I finally understand what you're getting at now... Hey, I can admit when I'm wrong. :-)
All I needed was a little math to understand where you are coming from. So here's what I came up with:
The Canon 1Ds Mark II has a 16.7mp full frame (36x22mm) sensor. Whereas the Canon 20D has an 8.2mp sensor that is sized at only 22.5x15mm (giving the so called 1.6x magnification ... or cropping as I've been calling it).
Here's where I think you're coming from:
With a 36x24mm sensor, you have an area of 864 mm^2.
With a 22.5x15mm sensor, you have an area of 337.5 mm^2.
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16,700,000 pixels / 864 = 19,328 pixels per sq mm.
8,200,000 pixels / 337.5 = 24,296 pixels per sq mm.
In other words, there are more pixels per square millimeter on the 20D. (what you said)
And so if I crop the 1Ds Mark II sensor down to 22.5x15 I would end up with *only* 6,523,200 pixels!!! (i.e. 337.5 sq mm times 19,328 pixels per sq mm)
I had no idea the number would be this low. Up until now I had *assumed* they would be nearly equal, which was the very basis of my argument.
So yes... I can now agree that the 1.6x magnification you get out of the 20D is better than a cropping of the 1Ds Mark II image to the same size. (at least, in terms of resolution)
But now I'm left to wonder... if Canon is capable of fitting 24,296 pixels per sq mm on the 20D's smaller sensor, could they possibly do the same on the full frame sensor? If so, you'd end up with a whopping 21mp camera! I'm salivating already! :-)
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02/26/2005 09:07:22 AM · #190 |
Won't the 300D be discontinued shortly after the 350D becomes widely available?
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02/26/2005 10:18:56 AM · #191 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Won't the 300D be discontinued shortly after the 350D becomes widely available? |
No I don't think so, not for a while and you'll probably see them adding new models to the Drebel line up over the next couple of years. When 6 MP becomes really low end, then you'll see it dropped or replaced. I don't think the new Rebel was ever meant to replace the original.
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02/26/2005 10:58:46 AM · #192 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
...if Canon is capable of fitting 24,296 pixels per sq mm on the 20D's smaller sensor, could they possibly do the same on the full frame sensor? |
Probably, but it would be very expensive. The 20D's sensor is a newer type and Canon has managed to increase resolution over the 10D with even less noise (not usually the case). I suspect that Canon hasn't used this technology (yet) in the top models because pros demand a high burst speed, and it's not easy to push around 21mp files quickly. |
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03/02/2005 12:40:51 AM · #193 |
If you want some detailed info on the camera check out the White Paper (PDF file)
NOTE: PDF file is 4.57MB in size. |
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03/06/2005 01:41:05 PM · #194 |
Just sold my 300D (Original Rebel) a few day's ago.
Sold it for 650 euro (You can get them new for 670 if you search enough)
and pre-ordered the 350D (RebelXT) for 750 Euro...
Now the long wait starts.... |
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03/06/2005 01:47:10 PM · #195 |
Originally posted by Philos31:
Just sold my 300D (Original Rebel) a few day's ago.
Sold it for 650 euro (You can get them new for 670 if you search enough)
and pre-ordered the 350D (RebelXT) for 750 Euro...
Now the long wait starts.... |
That's cheap! Where are you preordering from?
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03/06/2005 03:53:35 PM · #196 |
Originally posted by Konador:
That's cheap! Where are you preordering from? |
Germany:
Mindfactory
They will send it to the UK as well, but it will cost you 36E extra.
I will pick it up when it arives.
They told me there where so many pre-orders allready that they now changed the arival time to 1st of april (was 17 may) but they think they can still manage to deliver before that, I have to call them the 15th to be sure...
Message edited by author 2005-03-06 15:59:15. |
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