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02/25/2005 10:51:10 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by gibun:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by gibun:
not as popular as microsoft, not as well supported either.. The question is why not? |
How did you come to these conclusions? In the world of graphics, art, and photography MACs are the most popular and best supported computers in the world, bar none. And there are three reasons for that: Speed, quality and reliability. |
OK... where can I read more about Mac... I for one is sick of Microsofts unreliability. The CAMERA RAW book also describe their info via Mac... interesting. |
maybe //www.apple.com?
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02/25/2005 10:56:21 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by gibun:
I'm shopping around for a new computer totally dedicated to photography. In the price range of $1000, what should I look for. Can you please advise me on everything I should look for/consider. Keep in mind it will be dedicated to photography/internet including RAW photos. Isn't it cheaper and better to build one up rather than buying something in a 'package'? Thanks in advance for helping me. |
This one would be something I'd look at but is just beyond your budget. This one within it, Superdrive and an excellent flat CRT for photo editing: here
Message edited by author 2005-02-25 11:02:27.
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02/25/2005 11:02:39 AM · #28 |
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02/25/2005 11:03:17 AM · #29 |
I'm really embarrased, I did not know mac=apple... (blushing)
zeuszen, thanks, the budget is arbitrary, I can look at something good and I am willing to pay... reminding myself that it is only a hobby.
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02/25/2005 11:04:58 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by gibun:
...OK... where can I read more about Mac... I for one is sick of Microsofts unreliability. The CAMERA RAW book also describe their info via Mac... interesting. |
Here
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02/25/2005 11:08:55 AM · #31 |
Thank you zeuszen, and special thanks to nsbca7 for widening my reference. I will now research the mac route in detail. Goes to show nothing is simple anymore, everything so involved and info just became too much to handle.
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02/25/2005 11:21:47 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Wanting to do photography then invest in a MAC. Nothing will piss you off more then to be in the middle of an editing or print job and see the blue screen. With MAC you can count on getting the job done without the wasted time of restarting. And don't let the specs fool you. A 2GHz G5 is faster then a 4GHz Pentium while working with any type of graphics.
"Would you like to send an error report to Microsoft?"
"Send" - "Don't Send" |
Hmmm...I haven't had a blue screen in I don't know how long. My machine is running 24/7 for weeks at a time before I do a reboot just for good measure. The days of consistent BSoD's started to go away with W2KPro and XP.
There is nothing wrong with Mac's, but the sales pitch of Windows machines being consistently more unstable is really not a good one anymore.
I do agree that Macs perform better than PCs in the graphics/layout field.
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02/25/2005 11:34:04 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by cbeller:
Hmmm...I haven't had a blue screen in I don't know how long. My machine is running 24/7 for weeks at a time before I do a reboot just for good measure. The days of consistent BSoD's started to go away with W2KPro and XP.
There is nothing wrong with Mac's, but the sales pitch of Windows machines being consistently more unstable is really not a good one anymore.
I do agree that Macs perform better than PCs in the graphics/layout field. |
I have 5 computers up and running. 4 PCs all on XP and a G5 MAC. The only one that handles graphics jobs over 200Mb well and consistently without lockups is the G5. Based on what I have learned by working on a daily basis with the 2 systems the next computer I have to buy (hopefully not for a while) will be another MAC.
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02/25/2005 12:12:48 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
... Based on what I have learned by working on a daily basis with the 2 systems the next computer I have to buy (hopefully not for a while) will be another MAC. |
I've got half a dozen windows systems and am seriously considering my next to be my first MAC - I think your post has tipped the scale, thanks!
But now I have to decide on iBook vs PowerBook! Is the price difference worth it? (Looking at a fully-loaded 14 inch iBook vs fully loaded 15 inch PowerBook.)
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02/25/2005 04:14:29 PM · #35 |
I have 3 Windows based PC's. One is a year old Dell Dekstop, 8300, Pentium 4 3.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, 19 inch lcd, Ati Radeon Pro 9800 video card, with DVD Burner.
I also have a new Dell Laptop, Inspiron 9800. Intel Centrino 2.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, Ati Radeon Pro video card, Dual Layer DVD Burner.
The desktop has been running 24/7 for over a year. I NEVER had a blue screen of death on it. A properly configured XP PC does not crash that often.
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02/25/2005 04:26:08 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
I have 3 Windows based PC's. One is a year old Dell Dekstop, 8300, Pentium 4 3.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, 19 inch lcd, Ati Radeon Pro 9800 video card, with DVD Burner.
I also have a new Dell Laptop, Inspiron 9800. Intel Centrino 2.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, Ati Radeon Pro video card, Dual Layer DVD Burner.
The desktop has been running 24/7 for over a year. I NEVER had a blue screen of death on it. A properly configured XP PC does not crash that often. |
And when was the last time you printed a 200Mb file? I can print 200 to 750Mb files over and over while at the same time burning a DVD and listening to music with 12 62Mb files open in PS CS. Show me one PC that can do that.
My fastest PC is a 64 bit AMD with 3 gigs of pc3200 ram, which is faster then the Pentium IV and my MAC leaves it in the dust.
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02/25/2005 04:37:11 PM · #37 |
One of the other considerations for you folk is the filing of your pics... What application are you using to file, sort, retreive, label, show...
Again Apple Computer in their Mac, ships a pagake called iLife 05 (//www.apple.com/ilife/). This has in it a number of apps including iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iMovie.
The iPhoto application is a great package - included free with the Mac purchase...
iPhoto 5 lets you do more with your photos. In fact, it even lets you import RAW photos and use them throughout the application. Take video clips? iPhoto 5 imports them, too. iPhoto also helps you keep every photo in its place with new hierarchical folders that let you store multiple albums, iPhoto books and separate slideshows. You’ll also enjoy more options for finding photos: a Calendar View, for locating photos by day, week, month or year; and a search field for lightning fast, iTunes-like searches. And wait till you try the new Advanced Editing Dashboard. With its tools, you can modify exposure, white balance, saturation, contrast and more. Even straighten those slightly off-kilter horizons.
... so while the Mac is a great image machine - it also has the tools that we need.
The newer operating systems are all UNIX based (not that as a user you ever need to know that,,, - except that it is VERY stable). and have grahics support built into the system - thus much quicker than other operating system when dealing with graphics.
The advise on as much RAM as possible is good advice! - especially when using Photoshop.
Also the advice on video cards is also good advice - if you can get the RAM on the graphics card to some of the work - then the main computer RAM is freed up and makes it appear to work faster.
Happy to take PMs to discuss further, I work for Apple - so don't want to load the discussion with all Mac content.
Regards
Graham |
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02/25/2005 04:51:15 PM · #38 |
| If you're interested in a Mac, try your local craigslist. www.craigslist.org In my area, there are always a couple used macs that show up reasonably priced and are still newer models, if you cannot afford to buy one brand new. Not to turn this whole discussion into whether or not Macs have bigger bulges in their pants than PC's but Apple computers have been reliable machines for proffessional graphics and audio programs for quite a while. |
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02/25/2005 04:56:51 PM · #39 |
Three words: Hard Drive Capacity.
The larger the better. You can always put them on CD's or even DVD's, but I personally prefer to leave them on my hard drive for faster access as I'm always going back to older shots. Photoshop (or other equivilant program) files can also be rather large. You also might be interested in a drawing pad. Everyone I've ever talked to who has one always tells me that they refuse to go back to a traditional mouse--that they much prefer the pad not just for it's exponential increase in efficiancy and work quality in photoshop, but also in other applications and common browsing. |
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02/25/2005 05:22:25 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
I have 3 Windows based PC's. One is a year old Dell Dekstop, 8300, Pentium 4 3.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, 19 inch lcd, Ati Radeon Pro 9800 video card, with DVD Burner.
I also have a new Dell Laptop, Inspiron 9800. Intel Centrino 2.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, Ati Radeon Pro video card, Dual Layer DVD Burner.
The desktop has been running 24/7 for over a year. I NEVER had a blue screen of death on it. A properly configured XP PC does not crash that often. |
And when was the last time you printed a 200Mb file? I can print 200 to 750Mb files over and over while at the same time burning a DVD and listening to music with 12 62Mb files open in PS CS. Show me one PC that can do that.
My fastest PC is a 64 bit AMD with 3 gigs of pc3200 ram, which is faster then the Pentium IV and my MAC leaves it in the dust. |
Thats great...but I'm stating that properly configured Windows based PC's do not crash as stated in this post. With 3gigs of ram...I could do all that you mentioned above.
Message edited by author 2005-02-25 17:25:01.
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02/25/2005 05:34:57 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
I have 3 Windows based PC's. One is a year old Dell Dekstop, 8300, Pentium 4 3.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, 19 inch lcd, Ati Radeon Pro 9800 video card, with DVD Burner.
I also have a new Dell Laptop, Inspiron 9800. Intel Centrino 2.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram, Ati Radeon Pro video card, Dual Layer DVD Burner.
The desktop has been running 24/7 for over a year. I NEVER had a blue screen of death on it. A properly configured XP PC does not crash that often. |
And when was the last time you printed a 200Mb file? I can print 200 to 750Mb files over and over while at the same time burning a DVD and listening to music with 12 62Mb files open in PS CS. Show me one PC that can do that.
My fastest PC is a 64 bit AMD with 3 gigs of pc3200 ram, which is faster then the Pentium IV and my MAC leaves it in the dust. |
Thats great...but I'm stating that properly configured Windows based PC's do not crash as stated in this post. With 3gigs of ram...I could do all that you mentioned above. |
Re-read it. The 3 gigs of ram is in a PC, and no you couldn't.
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02/25/2005 05:53:13 PM · #42 |
Besides, you have a Dell. It won't even take 3 gigs of ram. My Mac will take 8.
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02/25/2005 10:17:22 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Besides, you have a Dell. It won't even take 3 gigs of ram. My Mac will take 8. |
Just for your information, this Dell is expandable up to 4 gig.
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