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 02/23/2005 05:12:51 PM · #51
Here is the original. Not edited much. My only regret was oversharpening it. I dont think they should change the voting at all. NSBCA was right, Lowballing scores works both ways. But I do agree wit Patrol, when he stated that voters must give an explanation why they vote a 3 and under.
 02/23/2005 05:14:33 PM · #52
There are a number of factors here that make me think this is more then a statistical fluke. There should be data available to help confirm or reject the idea that this is the case.

If it turns out that all 10 of the 1 votes were in fact from people who never voted before then I would say something definitely is wrong. If all 10 people register at about the same time even more so and if all 10 votes came in close to the same time then what?

There may not be anything to this but I do believe it needs to be looked into in more detail, if there has been an attempt to affect the voting I think we would be better off knowing about it.
02/23/2005 05:15:47 PM · #53
Perceptive people who pay attention can notice certain styles of artists they really like. When you do that it's not so hard to guess which photo was done by such artists.

I think sometimes your photo comes at the end of 200+ and people are just bored. That means the image must be that much better.

It's sort of like television sitcoms. They always have that person to warm-up the audience or whatever they do.. They do it because when people get bored, they get grumpy and they makes for more judgemental voting.

JOe
 02/23/2005 05:21:06 PM · #54
This sounds like a case of the ENEMY WITHIN ! The SC must get to the bottom of this ! :) ten 1's and still a red. I guess I would understand if the photo was controverial but why would it be? The Trolls must be stopped. Whoever harbors these trolls will not get away unpunished !
 02/23/2005 05:22:26 PM · #55
Originally posted by magicshutter:
Perceptive people who pay attention can notice certain styles of artists they really like. When you do that it's not so hard to guess which photo was done by such artists.

I think sometimes your photo comes at the end of 200+ and people are just bored. That means the image must be that much better.

It's sort of like television sitcoms. They always have that person to warm-up the audience or whatever they do.. They do it because when people get bored, they get grumpy and they makes for more judgemental voting.

JOe


But Zigzag has never entered anything like this so I doubt anyone knew they were his. His highest score before this was a 4.9. and as far as the entry coming up the 200th in order more then any image I think is also a stretch. All of the entries come up in random order (or they are supposed to).
 02/23/2005 05:22:54 PM · #56
Some of you guys are playing way too much dungeons and dragons.
 02/23/2005 05:23:30 PM · #57
Sheesh, Ruler. LOL.

I really, really think we can chalk this up to a lot of people not liking sickly "hospital green". I really cannot imagine a conspiracy here, and anyway if there was one you beat it down just fine by getting the red ribbon...

Robt.
 02/23/2005 05:28:12 PM · #58
Originally posted by vince31874:
Some of you guys are playing way too much dungeons and dragons.

Although it is hard to believe those 10 âoneâ are just by coincidence then I think it is much harder to believe someone has signed up for 10 new accounts just to give that photo love voting.

Coincidences are coincidences and they do happen.
02/23/2005 05:28:28 PM · #59
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
Here is the original. Not edited much. My only regret was oversharpening it. I dont think they should change the voting at all. NSBCA was right, Lowballing scores works both ways. But I do agree wit Patrol, when he stated that voters must give an explanation why they vote a 3 and under.


Just a point. I didn't vote on the whole challenge for lack of time, so I missed voting on this image. If I had though I would have voted higher on the unedited version then the one you entered. (provided it was rotated correctly). I honestly don't know why you touched it.
 02/23/2005 05:29:13 PM · #60
Yes, Robert...Im just joking around with this conspiracy thing. I find it all so hysterical that people are talking like that. Im just being sarcastic. Vince, I do love video games , but I think Im watching too much MSNBC, and Hardball with Chris Matthews
 02/23/2005 05:30:46 PM · #61
I regret touching it...I really do Martin. I guess I wanted a bit more color and got greedy
 02/23/2005 05:32:59 PM · #62
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
I regret touching it...I really do Martin. I guess I wanted a bit more color and got greedy


Live and learn.
 02/23/2005 05:33:10 PM · #63
Originally posted by eirasi:
Originally posted by vince31874:
Some of you guys are playing way too much dungeons and dragons.

Although it is hard to believe those 10 âoneâ are just by coincidence then I think it is much harder to believe someone has signed up for 10 new accounts just to give that photo love voting.

Coincidences are coincidences and they do happen.


Eirasi,

The point of my thread is to point out that fact that everyone uses this word "Troll" to explain this type of voting. Earlier I had asked what the is the "DPChallenge" definition of troll, but I never really received an legitimate answer.
 02/23/2005 05:40:24 PM · #64
Originally posted by eirasi:


Coincidences are coincidences and they do happen.

Not to this level. If we assume that the photo would on average get 1 vote of 1 then to get 10 votes of 1 is something like a billion to 1.

If we assume that it would on average get two votes of one then the odds are something like 100,000 to 1.

Add to that the spike in votes that this photo recived and something is very fishy. But this should not be hard to check out, and why not check it out?

02/23/2005 05:40:52 PM · #65
Vince, my guessing of a DPC Troll is someone who creates an account with the intention to purposely bring down the AVG of a photo that he/she considers a contender and a good shot at beating their photo.

will the culprits show their faces?? You can run but you can't hide!! lol
 02/23/2005 05:42:13 PM · #66
The only "legitimate" answer (defining "Troll Voter") would be someone who attempts to violate the site's rules/TOS in their voting pattern, which is what the we already screen for.

A Forum Troll would be someone who posts a provocative comment for the specific purpose of generating the maximum number of responses from other members, with no intent to participate in an actual meaningful discussion; the provocation may, but need not, include inappropriate language.
 02/23/2005 05:43:07 PM · #67
Thank You Paul.
 02/23/2005 05:43:45 PM · #68
Vince,

you haven't received a "legitimate answer" because it's a term that's just bandied around unofficially and there IS no single answer to the question. Subjectively, there is a significant number of people in the site who believe that some voters just wade through the challenges tossing out 1's to good pictures for the hell of it, and another group (they overlap I think) who believe that some people go back and downgrade scoring if their own image is doing poorly.

Both of these behaviours seem to be categorized as "trolling"...

Does that help?

Robt.
 02/23/2005 05:46:39 PM · #69
Yes. Thanks guys... I already knew what a troll was, but I wanted to hear it, because sometimes I feel that people use this word a little too loosely.

If we were to assume that the 10 "1" votes were from legitimate photographers with legitimate opinions, then when can't just be calling anyone a troll.
 02/23/2005 05:48:36 PM · #70
Tony, Your image in no way deserved 10 1's. Its this simple, people thought it was the blue ribbon winner and voted it down, 10 people obviously, and if this is not the case and 10 people seriously gave it a 1, then those 10 need to find another hobby because photography is not their forte. I was very upset with my scores. I sat with my mouth gaping open last night looking at my 28th place listing. I just can't do any better than I am doing... and I Did Not deserve 3 1's. I am not being conceided, but I know that my image is at least above a 3. Its my 2nd highest placing image, yet its 28th place. I dunno.. tbh, this whole way of voting is bumming me out and making me think of not competing in upcoming challenges. I just feel like I can't do any better, I can't compete against people who have a portfolio full of ribbons.. dunno. But something needs to change, either its me, or the voting system, or life in general lol :o) just my 2cents.
 02/23/2005 05:49:03 PM · #71
zigzag i posted a comment at ur winning shot about the one-voters and why i think it happened
i d better posted it here but anyway..maybe its a reasonable explanation
 02/23/2005 05:49:09 PM · #72
I definitely think something strange is going on here. If in fact some people disliked this photo due to the colors, or overprocessing or whatever, they would give it a LOWER score. Not the LOWEST score. I find it hard to believe that ten people honestly voted "1" for this image.

Deb
 02/23/2005 05:53:00 PM · #73
So, how about this solution:
Assuming that the primary reason trolls exist is to downgrade other images once they see their own being bashed, we could achieve multiple often-discussed goals with one action:
- people would have more time to put comments
- people would be more productive at work
- people would not be able to compare their scores to others'

And you get all that by simply not updating results until the end of the voting period. I know, this would take the fun out for some, but please think about it and try to realize what is more important. I personally do not see any disadvantage in not knowing what my score is from minute to minute.
Ask yourselves how much time do you spend looking at the score - we have threads that deal with this topic. If you don't pay attention to this, then you won't mind not having this feature. If you DO spend a lot of time, then you could benefit from this change.

Thoughts?

-Serge
 02/23/2005 05:54:02 PM · #74
Will makes an interesting point; in one of the other threads, during voting, rulre posted an image that pretty clearly marked this one as his. The 1 votes may be a protest against this breach of anonymity, says Will (messerschmitt).

Robt.
 02/23/2005 05:55:13 PM · #75
Originally posted by vince31874:
If we were to assume that the 10 "1" votes were from legitimate photographers with legitimate opinions, then when can't just be calling anyone a troll.


This would be true if indeed individuals voting 1's made a comment as to their reasoning... but unfortunately such is not the case.

I have no problems with people pointing out my deficiencies, but the sad fact is that newbies like myself have to actively seek out input because, as a general rule,,,,there are very little constructive comments generated on lower scoring photos.

Ray
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