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 02/18/2005 11:14:14 AM · #1
Doe's anyone know of a good raw processing software.At the moment i am using the software that came with my 300D but the tweaking features are limited.Have tried Capture One limited trial version which is pretty good but expensive to buy.
I am also looking for software to resize and print in RAW or TIFF.
 02/18/2005 11:19:33 AM · #2
Bibble has a really great workflow and is cheaper than Capture 1.
PS CS and PS Elements 3 have excellent RAW converters.

I have used BreezeBrowser and it works well, but not as interactive and it doesn't save your settings.

A friend of mine has really gotten into this technically and he says the PS CS converter is in a class by itself. Of the converters I've tried, it's the only one that has lens correction adjustments for CA.

I now use both Bibble, because all my shots are raw and that's a quick way to convert in batches, and PS CS for the best of my photos.
 02/18/2005 11:37:39 AM · #3
C-1 LE is not that expensive, I think only $99 if I'm not mistaken and is a good choice if you're not going to be using the batch feature over 30 shots. It has most of the other features of the full featured version. In addition, it's supposed produce the sharpest images of all the RAW converters, according to the reviews I've read.

Studio, by Olympus also supports lens correction adjustments, but I'm not sure if it supports CRW or NEF files.
 02/18/2005 11:39:39 AM · #4
Originally posted by nshapiro:
A friend of mine has really gotten into this technically and he says the PS CS converter is in a class by itself. Of the converters I've tried, it's the only one that has lens correction adjustments for CA.


It is an excellent product, but with Raw converters there isn't really a "class by itself" once you are using professional quality software. Bibble, C1 and Camera Raw all have their signatures, just like different films bring out different characteristics of an exposure.

They truly are all excellent products when it comes to image quality. Where they differ is in workflow implementation, and that's just personal preference combined with your shooting technique. You can demo Bibble and C1... Pick a month when you're going to do a lot of shooting and download a demo. You won't fully appreciate their power unless you are doing batches of images.

Search the forums here for more information. We've had many rounds of good dialog on this topic.
 02/18/2005 09:05:15 PM · #5
I am not sure what shipped with the Rebel, but you should be able to download Digital Photo Professional 1.5, which allows for a lot of control when converting from RAW. I do not use it myself; I am more comfortable with the RAW converter in Photoshop CS, but it might be worth looking at.

You could also check this tutorial on the software; it looked pretty good: //www.photoworkshop.com/canon/dpp/
 02/18/2005 09:12:54 PM · #6
you know i am jus not getting this people hear on the board shoot raw but they convert to tiff as soon as they get to the computer assumming iam missing something, if raw is so good why shoot raw edit raw convert to tiff make last minutes enhanchments and then your done right ? no ?.......
 02/18/2005 09:26:49 PM · #7
Try thisand it's free.
 02/18/2005 09:39:21 PM · #8
Originally posted by drz01:
Try thisand it's free.


It is good organizational software, but I don't believe it is a RAW conversion program is it?
 02/18/2005 09:39:53 PM · #9
Leon,

If you shoot in anything but RAW, the image is being "worked on" by the camera itself, according to its own particular software bias. RAW is just that, raw image files to which no sharpeniong or color correction has been appended.

So you have absolute control over how the image renders from the get go, but you still need to take it to tiff or jpg at some point.

Robt.
 02/18/2005 09:56:03 PM · #10
Originally posted by richterrell:
Originally posted by drz01:
Try thisand it's free.


It is good organizational software, but I don't believe it is a RAW conversion program is it?


yup this will usually convert my crw and orf files to a jpeg, but sometimes the program can be haphazard and will corrupt in some wierd ways.

Message edited by author 2005-02-18 22:00:15.
 02/18/2005 09:58:05 PM · #11
Originally posted by bear_music:
If you shoot in anything but RAW, the image is being "worked on" by the camera itself, according to its own particular software bias. RAW is just that, raw image files to which no sharpeniong or color correction has been appended.


And when the camera works its magic instead of a raw converter it looses data. When you shoot raw you have more data and precision to work from. You can "remaster" a raw image any number of times without loss of quality.

It's more work, but the end result is worth the effort.
 02/18/2005 11:15:23 PM · #12
I like Capture One's product, I find it easier to work with and more flexible that breeze or the resident converter in PS CS. It may be just that I have been using it longer, but it seems more intuitive than the other two, and the gurus that I follow say it is the best for CRW stuff.
 02/19/2005 02:40:54 PM · #13
Does anyone know the cost of the RAW plug-in for photoshop7,and where you can download it.
 02/19/2005 02:43:34 PM · #14
After hunting around on their site earlier for info on it, I do not think they are selling it anymore. I think they are trying to encourage PS7 users to upgrade to CS. I could not find it anyway.
 02/19/2005 03:00:32 PM · #15
Originally posted by richterrell:
After hunting around on their site earlier for info on it, I do not think they are selling it anymore. I think they are trying to encourage PS7 users to upgrade to CS. I could not find it anyway.


They are certainly trying to encourage upgrades, and if it's still available I have been unable to locate it. In any case, the CS covnerter is updated very often with new cameras, whereas the old converter certainly would not be.
For $169, the 7.0-to-CS upgrade is IMO worth it if you shoot RAW and use 16-bit editing at all.
 02/19/2005 03:03:56 PM · #16
Bibble hands down.
 02/19/2005 03:07:08 PM · #17
Originally posted by mavrik:
Bibble hands down.


I've tried not to sound like a zealot, but I have to make an exception this time. This post is exactly what I wanted to say when I posted the first time. Bibble rocks.
 02/19/2005 03:07:22 PM · #18
Originally posted by chig:
Does anyone know the cost of the RAW plug-in for photoshop7,and where you can download it.


I believe it was $100 when they were selling it. But you can also use Bibble as a plug-in and converter if you don't want to upgrade to CS.

The only reason I can see not wanting to upgrade to CS is as a protest to their AWFUL copy protection scheme, which runs two rogue processes on your system at all times. The reason I say they are rogue is that they look and are named as a rogue process might be named. They run from the temp directory, and are called "~e5d141.tmp". When I first found this I immediately started investigating for a virus. I even submitted it to SARC for analysis, before I posted here and someone pointed me to a website which discussed that this was part of the copy protection mechanism.

I personally think we must say NO to this sort of crap. But unfortunately, I already ordered CS and started using it before I discovered this.

Message edited by author 2005-02-19 15:07:42.
 02/19/2005 03:10:05 PM · #19
Originally posted by nshapiro:
The only reason I can see not wanting to upgrade to CS is as a protest to their AWFUL copy protection scheme, which runs two rogue processes on your system at all times. The reason I say they are rogue is that they look and are named as a rogue process might be named. They run from the temp directory, and are called "~e5d141.tmp". When I first found this I immediately started investigating for a virus. I even submitted it to SARC for analysis, before I posted here and someone pointed me to a website which discussed that this was part of the copy protection mechanism.


Ugh! I didn't know about this. I've been hoping to trade my Linux box for a G5 loaded with PS-CS, but that takes a little excitement out of it :(. For what they charge you wouldn't think they'd need to go that far.
 02/19/2005 04:35:49 PM · #20
Anyone have any examples of Bibble converting very long exposures (several minutes)?
 02/19/2005 04:41:37 PM · #21
Originally posted by nshapiro:
...The only reason I can see not wanting to upgrade to CS is as a protest to their AWFUL copy protection scheme, which runs two rogue processes on your system at all times...


I don't like copy protection schemes that are intrusive either, but these two processes really eat up next to nothing in resources, so I fail to see how this has any impact on the end user? I've seen copy protection systems in the past that I thought were bad, but this is not one of them.
 02/19/2005 05:34:26 PM · #22
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
...The only reason I can see not wanting to upgrade to CS is as a protest to their AWFUL copy protection scheme, which runs two rogue processes on your system at all times...


I don't like copy protection schemes that are intrusive either, but these two processes really eat up next to nothing in resources, so I fail to see how this has any impact on the end user? I've seen copy protection systems in the past that I thought were bad, but this is not one of them.


The problem is that they look like rogues and trojan trapping software can trigger on them. But if you exclude them, what's to stop a real trojan from imitating them, since they run in the temp directory!

And I wasted 1-2 hours on these, since they are not documented nor easily traced to Adobe. I don't like unknown processes appearing on my system. And why are there two of them?

They are using .5 MB of my 1 GB memory, that's a very small percent, but I am running other more useful software that even takes less, and it's much more than my very first PC had in total. And they are taking their place in the rotation of tasks, which involves overhead as well as the individual CPU time.

Message edited by author 2005-02-19 17:38:17.
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