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02/17/2005 03:16:03 PM · #1 |
Hey everyone,
I was wondering if anyone know of a good raw picture viewer? Something like ACDsee that allows you to swap pretty fast through them? Its nice that photoshop has a file viewer, but its not the best and its rather slow, considering its a thumbnail viewer, mostly.
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02/17/2005 03:23:39 PM · #2 |
Raw images are inherently slow to view because they are not processed. Your best best for accomplishing easy browsing it to add a batch step to your workflow. Here's my rough flow:
1. d/l images
2. apply base sharpening, curves, noise reduction, white bal to batch
3. scan for obvious throw-aways
4. perform individual EV, curve, etc, as needed
5. perform crops
6. edit IPTC fields for metadata
7. dump all to a 600 pixel (max dimension) JPEG queue for thumbs
8. dump print quality images to a JPEG or TIFF full size queue depending on whether further edits are needed.
At this point, I have catalog-able metadata and I have thumbs. NEFs go in the raw subdirectory for safe keeping, and the 600 px JPEGs are available for my image browser along with all their EXIF and IPTC. Life is good because everything works with JPEG.
(ed: corrected typo 60px --> 600 px)
Message edited by author 2005-02-17 16:41:24.
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02/17/2005 03:49:22 PM · #3 |
| I'm kind of confused about the whole raw process too. cghubbell, you said 600px and then 60px. Which one is correct, because whenever I convert to jpegs it brings the res down to 96px, but if I just shoot in jpg format they come out at 180 px. It seems like I'm shooting in a bigger quality (uncompressed) but the end product is less than if I originally shot in a compressed format. Am I making any sense? |
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02/17/2005 04:01:27 PM · #4 |
The raw/nef/crw etc viewer that I prefer to use is BreezeBrowser, which does thumbnail, screen-friendly, and fullsized views, plus you can move back and forth in the directory with the mouse wheel in any of those modes.
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02/17/2005 04:12:22 PM · #5 |
If you are on a mac, Photo Mechanic is outstanding. It's VERY fast. I got the recommendation from a high-end wedding photographer that was sorting thousands of images from a single wedding. He sorted/filtered with Photo Mechanic and then batch processed overnight with Canon Digital Photo Professional (DPP). DPP is probably the slowest piece of software on the planet but the ability to adjust all the images and then batch up the conversion almost makes it tolerable.
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02/17/2005 04:36:08 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by utro:
I'm kind of confused about the whole raw process too. cghubbell, you said 600px and then 60px. Which one is correct, because whenever I convert to jpegs it brings the res down to 96px, but if I just shoot in jpg format they come out at 180 px. It seems like I'm shooting in a bigger quality (uncompressed) but the end product is less than if I originally shot in a compressed format. Am I making any sense? |
Typo. 60px makes no sense. My thumbnails are all at 600 pixels in their maximum dimension.
I'm not sure what you are saying, but hopefully my typo is more clear :)
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02/17/2005 04:41:24 PM · #7 |
| Iam really confused iam trying to edit my raw files before i convert them but i cant figure out what program will allow me except photoshop cs which i dont have any suggestions? |
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02/17/2005 04:46:56 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by cghubbell:
Typo. 60px makes no sense. My thumbnails are all at 600 pixels in their maximum dimension.
I'm not sure what you are saying, but hopefully my typo is more clear :) |
Yeah. That's what I thought. What I'm saying is, when I download my images in Raw, then use Canon File Viewer Utility to convert, it gives me three options.
1)convert into jpeg
2)convert into 8bit tiff
3)convert into 16 bit tiff
But all conversions are less than 180px. Which is what my camera takes photos at if it's in High Quality jpg mode. So I guess what I'm saying is, how do you get your raw files converted into a 600px jpg? |
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02/17/2005 04:49:38 PM · #9 |
I believe PSP can edit raw with a plug in. GIMP also has a plugin called UFRAW which is a very accomplished raw converter, but best suited for individual images rather than batch processing.
In general your camera should include a utility which allows you to view raw images. You can usually use that same utility to convert ideally from raw to a 16 bit TIFF image. A close second is save-as to JPEG. From there you edit the TIFF / JPEG in the editor of your choice.
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02/17/2005 04:53:40 PM · #10 |
Your right the camera does have a raw file viewer however its not very advanced editing and serves me no purpose however i get down with gimp where can i get that plugin and is it going to be a tar file?
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02/17/2005 04:59:22 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by LEONJR:
Your right the camera does have a raw file viewer however its not very advanced editing and serves me no purpose however i get down with gimp where can i get that plugin and is it going to be a tar file? |
A quick tickle on Google will locate both GIMP and UFRAW for you. They are available in many formats.
Remember, the raw converter that came with your camera doesn't NEED to be a fancy editor. Raw converters aren't intended to do layer operations, etc. They are inteneded to replace your camera's internal processing. If your vendor-provided tool can convert to JPEG or TIFF, then you'd probably do well to get started using it.
If you're looking to go cheap and use of a command line is ok (personally I like it) you can use a utility called dcraw. My laptop isn't powerful enough to run Bibble, so I use dcraw to create thumbs and weed out junk shots when I'm not at my editing machine, then UFRAW+GIMP in place of bibble to to initial conversion.
It's actually quite fast since the conversion isn't running through a resource-intensive GUI application.
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02/17/2005 05:02:55 PM · #12 |
UFraw will allow me to edit the pictures cghubbell in gimp raw?And then after that i will use the manufacture converter right to convert to tiff ?
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02/17/2005 05:12:11 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by LEONJR:
UFraw will allow me to edit the pictures cghubbell in gimp raw?And then after that i will use the manufacture converter right to convert to tiff ? |
No.
[camera] --> RAW image -->
[camera mfr. utility] --> (tiff/jpeg) -->
[GIMP] --> final image
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[camera] --> RAW image -->
[UFRAW] --> GIMP --> final image
But you'll still hit the thumbnail issue here, so you need a deeper workflow.
[camera] --> raw image -->
dcraw to create thumbnails quick + dirty
use browser to toss junk shots (jpeg + nef)
remaining raw images --> ufraw --> gimp
Looking at the above you can see the advantage of a tool like Bibble:
[camera] --> Raw images --> Bibble --> Final Images
with an option to post-process if needed.
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02/17/2005 05:27:42 PM · #14 |
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02/17/2005 05:29:17 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by LEONJR:
gotcha |
Cool. I think you'll be impressed with UFRAW - it produced very high quality images when I tried it. One at a time is a bit too slow for me though, otherwise I'd probably use it more often.
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02/17/2005 05:40:01 PM · #16 |
Try Picasa. It is from makes of Google.com and it is free.
//www.picasa.com/
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02/17/2005 07:05:16 PM · #17 |
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02/19/2005 10:15:14 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by cghubbell:
Raw images are inherently slow to view because they are not processed. Your best best for accomplishing easy browsing it to add a batch step to your workflow. Here's my rough flow: |
I had always used this approach, but even the batch converstion can take a while if you have hundreds of images. If you've never tried Photo Mechanic, or maybe BreezeBrowser, you should at least experiment with a free trial. I was shocked at how fast it could browse RAW images and it's got a nice workflow that allows you to quicly sort out the images that are worth further attention and those that are not.
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