Rebel XT 350D - DPChallenge Forums

02/17/2005 12:45:48 AM · #51

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by rex07734:
When available????????

Mid March I hear, and $999.
Did you read the article?
EF-S 60mm 2.8 lens?? When did that appear? they mention 4 EF-S lenses - I knew of only 2 - so what is the fourth one?

Lots of neat new features! Perhaps I shoulda waited on my Rebel...nah, gotta upgrade sometime, might as well be sooner rather than later.

I'm still not finding anywhere that says it will be $999. Al I found was a third hand rumor. I really think it would be stupid and very unlike Canon to introduce this Rebel for less then $1200.

02/17/2005 12:48:49 AM · #52

The current rebel will be discontinued. So that price point is now vacant - for Canon cameras, but the istDs is there...all alone? Not likely.

Even at $999, that is $100 more than the rebel 300D MSRP, and below the psycological $1000 limit. Perhaps it will start at 1099, but street rpice will be 999 (my prediction anyway).

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

02/17/2005 12:57:10 AM · #53

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Disagree. The 30D will be dicontinued, but they probably have 10,000 of them in stock. When the last of the 300D Rebels are sold out the price of the XT will drop. But the intro price will be much higher. How much did the 300D kit cost when it first hit the market? It was still at a thousand less then a year ago.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

02/17/2005 01:00:24 AM · #54

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
The current rebel will be discontinued. So that price point is now vacant - for Canon cameras, but the istDs is there...all alone? Not likely.

Even at $999, that is $100 more than the rebel 300D MSRP, and below the psycological $1000 limit. Perhaps it will start at 1099, but street rpice will be 999 (my prediction anyway).

Disagree. The 30D will be dicontinued, but they probably have 10,000 of them in stock. When the last of the 300D Rebels are sold out the price of the XT will drop. But the intro price will be much higher. How much did the 300D kit cost when it first hit the market? It was still at a thousand less then a year ago.

...before the D70 came out.

02/17/2005 01:08:11 AM · #55

Originally posted by faidoi:

...before the D70 came out.

Understood. And when Nikon unleashes the D80 to compete with the new XT then canon will drop the price of this too. That should be in about a year seeing how Nikon is pacing itself so well.

I could be very wrong on all counts. I'm only going on trends that seem to repeat themselves.

02/17/2005 01:11:31 AM · #56

Generally, based on free markets, the old 300Ds will drop in value - be they new or used ones. My attempt to buy an older dSLR at a deep discount even used- failed. The initial price of the older (D30 D60) cameras was SOO high even now that they are obsolete (relatively speaking) they are still pricey. part of that is who want to lose tons o' money, part is the huge demand for dSLRs.

If canon thought it could make more money with a Rebel 300D at $899 and a 350XT at $1299 and a 20D at $1499 (b&h body only) I think they'd do it, don't you?

The 300D has had a $100 rebate for the last 3 or 4 months. I think Canon has cleared the shelves already.

02/17/2005 01:20:03 AM · #57

I went back a few years and was reading the threads that were going on when the 300D first hit the market. They sound every bit just like this one. Same arguments - everything.

02/17/2005 01:34:41 AM · #58

//www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00AxXg&unified_p=1

Similar info to what i heard and more info than i heard. It has announcement date of Feb 13-17, so that was close. Lists price of $999 w/ kit lens.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

02/17/2005 01:42:52 AM · #59

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

This is from the post:

Keep in mind this is speculation

originator of the info mentions he has a friend that works at Canon

and another un-named source

this guy works in a camera shop

this may be real

Sounds like somebody quoting a Pentagon source about possible WMDs.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

02/17/2005 01:50:46 AM · #60

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

This would help kill off most of the 8 megapixels prosumers at the same price points. So this would would help sales of dSLRs, if they went this way.

02/17/2005 01:52:39 AM · #61

Not WMD, WMD-ME. A concoction of the Japanese Republican Samurai.

Wallets Much Dollars - Must Empty

02/17/2005 01:55:25 AM · #62

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Not WMD, WMD-ME. A concoction of the Japanese Republican Samurai.

Wallets Much Dollars - Must Empty

You got that right.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

02/17/2005 01:56:06 AM · #63

Originally posted by faidoi:

This would help kill off most of the 8 megapixels prosumers at the same price points. So this would would help sales of dSLRs, if they went this way.

My just retired Fuji S602 was at $999 when introduced 2 years ago. The repleacement, S7000 was announced at $899 or so about a year ago. I agree with you, but many folks don't want the 'hassle' or lens expense of a dSLR and still opt for the prosumer cams. They do video and sound clips, useful in some cases, and that 'live' LCD means alot to some folks.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

02/17/2005 02:00:29 AM · #64

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by faidoi:

This would help kill off most of the 8 megapixels prosumers at the same price points. So this would would help sales of dSLRs, if they went this way.

My just retired Fuji S602 was at $999 when introduced 2 years ago. The repleacement, S7000 was announced at $899 or so about a year ago. I agree with you, but many folks don't want the 'hassle' or lens expense of a dSLR and still opt for the prosumer cams. They do video and sound clips, useful in some cases, and that 'live' LCD means alot to some folks.

I see more low-end cheap 3-4mp cams, high-megapixels cell phones, and lower priced dSLR cameras to dominant in the next year or so.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

02/17/2005 02:04:30 AM · #65

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

When I bought the Fuji s7000 it was $850 after a $75 discount (because I bought a display model). Now that I'm saving for the *ist Ds, I'll probably end up paying about $1200 for it and the kit lens, another $200 on SD cards for it, (I'm planning on getting two 512s), and probably another couple hundred on other assorted accessories. This is all in Canadian dollars. If this XT *does* debut for $999 US.. it might be a serious consideration over the *ist Ds.. but we'll have to see. I don't know if our stores will be getting it before May (which is when I'm buying the *ist Ds), and I won't buy anything other than retail for something so expensive.

David.C

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

02/17/2005 02:13:13 AM · #66

Originally posted by cbeller:

Please don't take this the wrong way since I'm Nikon scum. :-) It's a serious question.

From the article (emphasis mine):
The Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT features a newly developed, second generation, extremely low noise APS-C size 8.0 Megapixel CMOS sensor, the fourth new CMOS sensor from Canon in just twelve months.

Is this really a positive? Why would they have to keep releasing new sensors throughout the year? Shouldn't they get the technology right, before they release it? ...

There are several pros and a few cons to this business model

Pros:
Appearance of being a dynamic company.
The company looks, from the outside, to be more active in the marketplace.
Smaller investment
It takes a lot fewer resources to turn out an incremental improvement than a full scale new product.
Public polls
By making many small changes and then gauging the publics reaction to them, the company is essentially being paid to take a poll of public interests. This in turn allows the company to better taylor the feature set of its product line to each demographic.

Cons:
Mistakes multiply quicker
One mistake is easily removed by taking the time to make sure nothing similar is in the next few releases; but when making small, quick releases the chance of mistakes being made increase drastically. The public will remember 3 mistakes in a row (even if they were small) long after they 'forget' about 1 bigger one that was not repeated. It can make the company look unprofessional and sloppy really quick even if there is no real reason for it (witness Microsoft on security).
Large product line/Short product life
A company that is producing new products quickly has to choose to either have a large number of active products or produce products that have relatively small lifespans. The first is a support nightmare for the company; the latter for the customer. With A large product line leading to confused consumers and short product life risking irate customers ('I just bought one!').
Indecisiveness
While quick releases allow the company to rapidly alter direction to deliver what the customer wants; it can produce a company that does not appear to have a decisive leadership and instead sways about with public opinion.

David