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01/12/2005 09:57:19 AM · #1 |
...a Comments Challenge
Your photograph can be of anything, but the only way to qualify is that you provide a comment on every single entry!!!
Message edited by author 2005-01-12 09:58:10.
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01/12/2005 09:59:59 AM · #2 |
There did used to be a minimum comments or votes requirement to enter the following week's challenge I think.
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01/12/2005 02:53:11 PM · #3 |
While I agree completely with encouraging comments, forcing them will only deteriorate the quality of the comments. I know from the personal experience of commenting on every photo in a challenge the quality is not the same across the board. I see it as the same as making the image in the first place; the photographer must put a piece of themselves in the image to make it good, so must the commenter put a piece of themselves in the comment to make it good.
What I have learned is that I don't make good comments on images that don't have an impact on me in one way or another.
David
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02/09/2005 02:17:12 PM · #4 |
Maybe force a comment on any vote under a five given. If you are going to give a bad vote I think you should have to explain.
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02/09/2005 02:44:19 PM · #5 |
It's ridiculous to contemplate "requiring" a comment on every "bad" vote. And even more ridiculous if you draw the line at "5", which is not a bad vote at all.
All you're gonna do is get "I don't like it!" comments up the wazoo. Some of us rarely comment on our low votes simply because if we DO make a thoughtful comment we get hammered with rebuttals, and it gets tiresome. The way around that, of course, would be to NOT make a thoughtful comment, but then what's the point?
I give a lot of low votes to poorly-executed images that do not, in my eyes, answer the challenge, but I don't dare say that because if I do the photog bounces back with an explanation of WHY it answers the challenge. And this is beside the point. It either works for me or it doesn't; and if it needs explaining to work, the picture has failed.
Robt.
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02/09/2005 03:10:22 PM · #6 |
I guess you are right to some extent. I think the problem lies in the fact that some people and I repeat some people just give low votes if theirs is doing bad. This is a problem that can't be fixed. I guess we will just have to live with the fact that their are a few bad apples in every bunch. Though it does say to vote on every photo as if it met the challenge requirements. I don't vote on if it met the challenge or not. I vote on the quality of the photo. It is not up to me to decide if the photographer met the challenge. That is why we have SC. When I vote low I try to give an explanation short or long. Then again they are all opinions and you can't please the masses no matter how hard you try. The goal for me becoming a member here is not to please everybody but to improve something that I love doing. By improving on that I don't want a comment that says "It didn't meet the challenge for me." The point of most of these challenges is your interpretation of the word. If you look in the dictionary there are usually several definitions for any given word.
Examples:
Bridges
Pain
I want an honest criticism of my photo and what I can do to improve it.
Examples:
Move to a lower point of view
Try a different time of day to get better lighting
Tell me something I can do in Photoshop to improve the photo.
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02/09/2005 03:27:49 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by rex07734:
This is a problem that can't be fixed. |
Oh yes it could!
I think this approach could work:
As the challenge moves from submission to voting stage, all submissions are (at random, of course) divided into two lots - let's just say A and B for now.
All people in the A group vote on the B's, and the B's vote on the A's.
You would then need ribbons for each group, but at least it means two things: everyone can participate in the same challenge, and there is no point in voting others down since it won't affect your own chance to win a ribbon.
What do you think..... could that work? |
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02/09/2005 04:14:23 PM · #8 |
Karin I think that might work. As with everything you would have to work out the kinks though. And the at random would be a must
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02/10/2005 03:45:42 AM · #9 |
Karin, i must say this is a very interesting idea. The only problem i see with it is for the obsessive challenge winners, they are not finishing but in 1 of 2 first place... for competetive people, thats rather bad. As for me, i find this to be quite interesting.
And if you do not complete your vote schedule (Vote all of Bs entries for ex.), your picture is removed from the challenge at the end, losing your place.
Thats a very harsh system, but could work quite well. Perhaps DPC could try it for a few challenges, see what happens!?!? Any Admins care to comment?
About the commenting... i never comment on every pictures, but i usually comment on the lows and highs; giving constructive comments. Most people who get hammered usually leave only negative and very subjective comments, which doesnt help.
Saying: Your picture sucks because your lighting aint worth much is different then saying: Your picture could have probably scored a lot higher if your had paid more attention to your lighting.
It takes a few words more, but gets way better results. And if you get hammered, just have a generic reply waiting that says: Im sorry you didnt like my comment, i am here to learn, i hope you are too. or something similar... then simply copy/paste ;)
Cheers, |
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02/10/2005 05:56:10 AM · #10 |
or perhaps having a comment 'points' where you use them to enter the upcoming competition.
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02/10/2005 05:56:34 AM · #11 |
But then again, people COULD find ways around it.. like just copying and pasting the same comment to everyone
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02/10/2005 06:58:34 AM · #12 |
Antoine I agree I always give constructive commments also. Seems the only way rather than hurting someone with a mean comment.
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02/10/2005 07:40:56 AM · #13 |
Perhaps the way to go about it is to impose a 1st place only rule. Ultimately the person with the highest score wins right? Now, if you put second place as he person who commented on lets say 100% in a challenge with any score (as an example) would take the second place ribbon or something to congradulate them on commenting so much thus leaving only the brown ribbon to the last place person.
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02/11/2005 02:50:31 AM · #14 |
Actually, a copy-paste comment is perharps better then no comments... if the comment is legit.
I dont think there should be rewards for big comments and commenting on all the pictures... basically comments are for yourself and the submitter. It makes you learn, and the same for the submitter.
Besides, there is still the option to check comments, which could be a better way to reward comments.
The idea of spliting the contest in 2 is interesting, as it forces everyone to actually leave a comment. Even if its only , that doesnt mean the comment is helpful, therefore, people who dont want to share or participate are still forced to make a small effort, while the ones of us out take some time to comment on a bunch of pics because they believe they can help are rewarded by a check. Which is why i check my helpful comments once in a while.
2cents. |
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02/11/2005 04:29:35 AM · #15 |
For myself, if I were required to give a comment on every low vote I ggave, whatever definition of 'low' was provided, I think it would simply serve to prevent me from voting at all.
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02/11/2005 05:02:17 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by rmtm333:
...a Comments Challenge
Your photograph can be of anything, but the only way to qualify is that you provide a comment on every single entry!!! |
regarding there is only 24 hours in a day this does not seem a realistic aim
especially for a critizing comment it takes time to put it right
a comment of praise thats the really easy part
i think in a lot of cases just the outcome of a votation should be sufficient to have a review on ur skills and figure out urself what there is to be done
it might be more rooted and lasting the result of finding out things urself than to have them spelled out and followed up is my experience
than again there are stages in our development when we really need a helping guide i guess and a well put and strong based comment of critique can be golden
and we all have to try to make them as much as possible i agree |
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