Voting schmoting - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

01/24/2005 08:28:27 PM · #27

Originally posted by Jacko:

Can't wait to see your entry.

Tis always nice to meet a fan. I'll mail you a signed headshot of me.

01/24/2005 08:32:45 PM · #28

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by Jacko:
Can't wait to see your entry.

Tis always nice to meet a fan. I'll mail you a signed headshot of me.

Can't wait to see your entry... (?) ;)

GoldBerry

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

01/24/2005 08:42:47 PM · #29

I'm getting good comments and at least have a solid 5.4. lol

Beagleboy

Canon EOS-30D

01/24/2005 09:06:24 PM · #30

Take my advice.

Take the box outside, flatten it, put by the curb with the rest of the garbage and wait for the carboard recycling truck to pick it up.

Or better yet, use it to ship something you just sold on Ebay.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/24/2005 11:59:38 PM · #31

Originally posted by Beagleboy:

Take my advice.

Take the box outside, flatten it, put by the curb with the rest of the garbage and wait for the carboard recycling truck to pick it up.

That would be thinking the box outside?

plumber711

Canon EOS-20D

01/25/2005 12:47:03 AM · #32

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by Jacko:
Can't wait to see your entry.

Tis always nice to meet a fan. I'll mail you a signed headshot of me.

Nice comeback Lori, how about at least a 3/4 signed shot.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/25/2005 12:50:16 AM · #33

There are plenty of references to whether or not an entry 'meets a challenge' in the comments. There are frequent debates regarding nothing more than topicality. Dictionaries are consulted, google is searched, hundreds, perhaps, thousands of people invest much energy into finding out how other people have defined or would define the topic for them. There is, actually, very little room to 'think' inside the box, never mind to 'feel' anything. All the thinking has already been done by someone else who has no insight whatever into the particular application for the sort of thing we do here.

Those who think outside of the box do so because they have acquired the thoughts and feelings they hold by themselves. They did not rely on other people's preconceived notions. Instead, they undertook their own investigation of the matter. Instead of the dictionary or a spouse, they consulted their own heart, their nature or a rock on the hill. They, simply, mistook the challenge topic for a stimulus to create something we don't see everywhere and at all times.

Why is this so annoying? Let's go gentle into that good night.

Ivo

01/25/2005 01:03:05 AM · #34

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Damn.....I feel "schmoteful" after reading this. Beautiful, eloquent and somewhat musical. Now, I think I need to fall asleep in my refrigerator box. Goodnight.

01/25/2005 01:24:51 AM · #35

Originally posted by zeuszen:

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There are plenty of references to whether or not an entry 'meets a challenge' in the comments. There are frequent debates regarding nothing more than topicality. Dictionaries are consulted, google is searched, hundreds, perhaps, thousands of people invest much energy into finding out how other people have defined or would define the topic for them. There is, actually, very little room to 'think' inside the box, never mind to 'feel' anything. All the thinking has already been done by someone else who has no insight whatever into the particular application for the sort of thing we do here.

Those who think outside of the box do so because they have acquired the thoughts and feelings they hold by themselves. They did not rely on other people's preconceived notions. Instead, they undertook their own investigation of the matter. Instead of the dictionary or a spouse, they consulted their own heart, their nature or a rock on the hill. They, simply, mistook the challenge topic for a stimulus to create something we don't see everywhere and at all times.

Why is this so annoying? Let's go gentle into that good night.

Damn.....I feel "schmoteful" after reading this. Beautiful, eloquent and somewhat musical. Now, I think I need to fall asleep in my refrigerator box. Goodnight.

zues has this calming effect.........

nico_blue

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/25/2005 01:28:18 AM · #36

I haven't been on dpc very long but one of the things I've learnt so far is that thinking 'outside' the box will get you punished for not meeting the challenge. Its as simple as that. Rather than thinking outside the box I've found it much more rewarding to think creatively inside the box.

01/25/2005 01:32:22 AM · #37

Ivo

01/25/2005 01:34:24 AM · #38

Originally posted by goodman:

Now would that then be Boxing??

01/25/2005 01:43:30 AM · #39

boring and detrimental to my health, i'd rather be punished..... :D

Now would that then be Boxing??

seconds out... round two (i'm hoping :)

01/25/2005 01:43:42 AM · #40

Originally posted by goodman:

Lesley, thanks for being the way you are... You are one of the very few who gave me a good comment on my Classy holiday decoration entry...

I know it was off subject but didn't it give anybody else a break from all the... (I wanna write boring... But I won't) Christmas decoration?

P.S. At least it wasn't brown! lol

Message edited by author 2005-01-25 01:45:51.

01/25/2005 01:46:21 AM · #41

Originally posted by goodman:

Totally agree, I love this site and can't thank it enough for how much it has helped me progress with photography. I do have to keep reminding myself of why I'm here though, I've just received a low score and a comment that my image is not faceless, yes technically a small amount of face may be visible but the essence of the image is certainly faceless. However much I may feel that the voter is wrong (which I do), I have to remember that they are just as entitled to their view as I am to mine. It's simple fact that we are always going to have pedantic voters, what we need to do is not let other people's ignorance hold us back.

No regrets :)

Darren

01/25/2005 01:47:35 AM · #42

The way I work with the voting is if a picture is off subject... Or does not meet the challenge... I take 1 point off... I don't discredit the whole picture for that...

01/25/2005 01:50:10 AM · #43

i got so excited seeing this one after sifting thru all the tinsel schmaltzy crapola [mine included]
- HAD to save it as a fav!

01/25/2005 01:52:54 AM · #44

Originally posted by goodman:

i got so excited seeing this one after sifting thru all the tinsel schmaltzy crapola [mine included]
- HAD to save it as a fav!

Ha ha! I knew it! The comment "Finally" came through loud and clear! ; )

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

01/25/2005 01:53:37 AM · #45

Originally posted by colda:

However much I may feel that the voter is wrong (which I do), I have to remember that they are just as entitled to their view as I am to mine. It's simple fact that we are always going to have pedantic voters, what we need to do is not let other people's ignorance hold us back.

No regrets :)

Darren

Nothing says it quite as eloquently as saying that people have a right to their opinions and then calling them igorant for it...

01/25/2005 01:55:36 AM · #46

Originally posted by grandmarginal:

The way I work with the voting is if a picture is off subject... Or does not meet the challenge... I take 1 point off... I don't discredit the whole picture for that...

I mark down when something does not follow the theme i.e. if someone enters a colourful sunset in to a B/W macro contest it's gonna suffer, but if someone entered an image of a isolated homeless person with a crowd of people walking past into the faceless challenge then even if that person's face is visible it would, in my opinion (with the right composition), meet the challenge (the person's face is not seen by the crowd - thus faceless)

01/25/2005 02:00:02 AM · #47

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by colda:
However much I may feel that the voter is wrong (which I do), I have to remember that they are just as entitled to their view as I am to mine. It's simple fact that we are always going to have pedantic voters, what we need to do is not let other people's ignorance hold us back.

No regrets :)

Darren

Nothing says it quite as eloquently as saying that people have a right to their opinions and then calling them igorant for it...

Exactly my point; I have my vision for my art and I should persue that. Others will naturally be ignorant to my vision, thus not see it as I do, I should not be detered into creating just something that pleases the masses.

Message edited by author 2005-01-25 02:17:15.

Ivo

01/25/2005 02:04:00 AM · #48

Originally posted by grandmarginal:

The way I work with the voting is if a picture is off subject... Or does not meet the challenge... I take 1 point off... I don't discredit the whole picture for that...

Let me ask the question that should not be asked. What if the shot is just pathetic and is obviously created to acheive the "underacheiver" award. A shot that equals in quality to the wrapper on a roll of bathroom tissue. We all know these shots.....really we do. Do you coddle them with niceities and encourage this sort of "sub par" submission or do you speak your mind.

This should be interesting. Let me put my helmet on.

01/25/2005 02:14:49 AM · #49

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by grandmarginal:
The way I work with the voting is if a picture is off subject... Or does not meet the challenge... I take 1 point off... I don't discredit the whole picture for that...

Let me ask the question that should not be asked. What if the shot is just pathetic and is obviously created to acheive the "underacheiver" award. A shot that equals in quality to the wrapper on a roll of bathroom tissue. We all know these shots.....really we do. Do you coddle them with niceities and encourage this sort of "sub par" submission or do you speak your mind.

This should be interesting. Let me put my helmet on.

Hmmmm, I hardly ever give anything below a 3, on the first pass I split the photos into 4, 5 or 6 (any big wows will get a 7 and oh dears will get a 3). Thereafter I resort the 6's into 6 - 10's (the 7's from the first pass will certainly be a 9 or 10 after the second pass). If time permits I will also sort (and try to comment) on the 3's and 4's, this is done comparitvely, thus if some 4's are clearly worse than the others they will become a 3 and if the original 3's are worse than the demoted ones then they becomes 2's. Finally, the 5's get rescanned to see if I've missed any gems.

I do think that people need to be told, and in most cases they seem to be, if you look at the bottom end of a challenge they usually have a fair number of comments.

In an ideal world the 5's should be getting more comments on where a 'nearly' image can be improved - these to me seem to be the area that needs the most input.