Something you might not have known...

01/16/2005 11:28:07 AM · #26

I will never politely acknowledge the comment 'snapshot' -- and to be honest, just about any comment I am 'politely acknowledging', I check to find helpful.

ClubJuggle

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/16/2005 11:28:31 AM · #27

Originally posted by deapee:

Who insulted who? I'm sorry if you took offense to anything I've said, but I assure you that I didn't mean to offend you -- it is all in fun. Two people sharring a difference in opinion. If you took something to heart, let me know.

I edited out the part at the end of the first post because, apparently, it must have offended you. Sorry, I'll never debate an issue with you again. Just don't be the thread police -- starting this topic was sure to get someone fired up. It just so happened to be someone you couldn't hang with is all. Again, sorry that it got too heated for you.

I don't see where anyone singled you ou. I don't see where anyone insulted you. On the other hand, one of your replies was out of line to the point where I had to remove it.

I'd suggest taking a deep breath and rereading the thread, especially in light of Kavey's statement that your post was not what caused her to write it.

-Terry

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/16/2005 11:30:27 AM · #28

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

I'd suggest taking a deep breath and rereading the thread, especially in light of Kavey's statement that your post was not what caused her to write it.

-Terry

Well, with no specific comment pointed out, and Kavey's post pointed DIRECTLY at an individual who recently made a post about comments, she made it personal. Everyone is to just assume she is or isn't talking about them specifically?

ganders

Canon EOS-40D

01/16/2005 11:31:34 AM · #29

Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by ganders:
Perhaps you need an extra checkbox to only request positive, ego-stroking comments

Actually no, I don't. That is an ignorant statement in its own right though. I have recieved 140 comments and have found probably 99% of those helpful. Don't make the assumption that I'm here to get my ego stroked because I can assure you I am certainly not.

You're getting very free and easy with accusations of others being "ignorant", simply because they don't agree with you. You've already said (repeatedly) that you would rather have no comment at all than a negative one, which seems to suggest you only want positive comments.

I'm assuming that whatever picture got the "snapshot" comment, you weren't attempting to get a "snapshot" feel to the picture. Therefore, the commenter was letting you know that the reason he didn't give you a higher mark was due to the snapshot quality. Short of him coming round to your house and showing you how to take better pictures, what more do you want the poor sod to do?!

You may not be here to get your ego stroked, but you seem to get very upset when people dare to disagree with you, and start calling them ignorant. It's an interesting debating style, but probably not one that will win you many arguments (or friends!)

peecee

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/16/2005 11:32:29 AM · #30

The term snapshot implies to me that the commenter gets the impression it is a hurried,unprepared looking picture,I have received that comment in the past, and on reflection it was a hurried shot and I took no offence.

01/16/2005 11:32:34 AM · #31

Whatever...I'm done with this site!

Can I get my money back?

Message edited by author 2005-01-16 11:33:11.

ClubJuggle

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/16/2005 11:35:01 AM · #32

Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

I'd suggest taking a deep breath and rereading the thread, especially in light of Kavey's statement that your post was not what caused her to write it.

-Terry

Well, with no specific comment pointed out, and Kavey's post pointed DIRECTLY at an individual who recently made a post about comments, she made it personal. Everyone is to just assume she is or isn't talking about them specifically?

I saw it as a general explanation of why she posted the thread.

-Terry

peecee

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/16/2005 11:37:38 AM · #33

Dave, just count 10 and chill out,you have to take the odd knock now and again, then get on with life.

01/16/2005 11:37:39 AM · #34

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

I saw it as a general explanation of why she posted the thread.

Originally posted by Kavey:

To him I ask the following question:

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE MARK COMMENT AS HELPFUL FEATURE WAS IMPLEMENTED LONG AFTER THE SITE STARTED?

That is a 'general explanation'? Looks more like it is pointed DIRECTLY at an individual in a 'shouting' tone.

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

01/16/2005 11:37:55 AM · #35

If it had been personal I would either have PMd the person in question or named them in the original post.

Whilst you made a post about a comment you got, so did a lot of others. It was one particular comment that made me think and was the reason for my post but even then, the post wasn't telling that person off either - it was to say to them, here's some information you MIGHT not have known and which you might find interesting as it may change your view on this issue.

I mentioned the comment I'd seen to explain why I was posting this thread, nothing more.

01/16/2005 11:39:37 AM · #36

Originally posted by peecee:

Dave, just count 10 and chill out,you have to take the odd knock now and again, then get on with life.

Maybe that's my problem. I'm in sales and where 99% of my sales are repeat sales. Maybe I bite my tongue too often during the work week that I just can't seem to do it anymore.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/16/2005 11:40:31 AM · #37

Originally posted by Kavey:

If it had been personal I would either have PMd the person in question or named them in the original post.

How don't you realize you made it personal when you wrote...

Originally posted by Kavey:

To him I ask the following question:

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE MARK COMMENT AS HELPFUL FEATURE WAS IMPLEMENTED LONG AFTER THE SITE STARTED?

Message edited by author 2005-01-16 11:40:57.

peecee

Canon EOS-5D

01/16/2005 11:42:15 AM · #38

Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by peecee:
Dave, just count 10 and chill out,you have to take the odd knock now and again, then get on with life.

Maybe that's my problem. I'm in sales and where 99% of my sales are repeat sales. Maybe I bite my tongue too often during the work week that I just can't seem to do it anymore.

Thats why I love gettin out with my camera, really relaxes me.

ClubJuggle

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/16/2005 11:42:26 AM · #39

It's personal, maybe, but I don't read that as an attack at all.

It's clear to me from the post, that Kavey felt the underlying issue might be a problem for more than just the user who posted it. As it happens, when the Mark Comment Helpful feature was implemented, some 90% of the current site users (my estimate) were not around -- so there are a LOT of people who do not realize that this feature did not always exist.

Personally, over half my comments were made prior to the Mark Comment Helpful feature, so I'm well aware of the effect that downward skew can have.

-Terry

Message edited by author 2005-01-16 11:46:15.

ganders

Canon EOS-40D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/16/2005 11:42:27 AM · #40

Originally posted by deapee:

How don't you realize you made it personal when you wrote...

How did you not realise it wasn't directed at you when it described something you hadn't said?

01/16/2005 11:42:45 AM · #41

Unfortunately at this point it's 18 degrees out and snowing.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/16/2005 11:44:55 AM · #42

Originally posted by ganders:

Originally posted by deapee:
How don't you realize you made it personal when you wrote...

How did you not realise it wasn't directed at you when it described something you hadn't said?

It didn't have to describe something I hadn't said. There was enough of a similarity to my post and Kavey's somewhat-lacking explanation that it made it directed at me or someone who has recently felt less than satisfactory about a comment they recieved that was similar to that which I recieved.

ganders

Canon EOS-40D

01/16/2005 12:03:09 PM · #43

So, the original post was pointing out that the ratio of comments made to comments marked as useful was not a helpful measure, because the "helpful" box hasn't been around forever. Added to that some discussion about how valid it would be anyway, because everyone uses that box for different things.

Somehow, you read this as a bitter personal attack on YOU for complaining about a negative comment that you couldn't find any constructive aspect to.

Now, if you HAD been the one using the 'helpful' ratio to attack commenters, I would perhaps have some sympathy - right up to the point you started throwing insults around and calling people ignorant because they don't agree with you.

However, as you weren't, I don't :-)

Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM

01/16/2005 12:08:54 PM · #44

Originally posted by ganders:

Now, if you HAD been the one using the 'helpful' ratio to attack commenters, I would perhaps have some sympathy

However, as you weren't, I don't :-)

NEVER, have I asked ANYONE for their sympathy...so don't tell my why I don't have yours.

autool

Canon EOS-20D

01/16/2005 12:21:43 PM · #45

I think we should have a "Snapshot" challenge where all comments have to be positive atta-boys, and everyone must mark them helpful before the votes are tallied.

This thread has gone wrong!

Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM

01/16/2005 12:31:12 PM · #46

Originally posted by autool:

I think we should have a "Snapshot" challenge where all comments have to be positive atta-boys, and everyone must mark them helpful before the votes are tallied.

Very good idea! Your sarcasm works VERY well.

autool

Canon EOS-20D

01/16/2005 12:42:19 PM · #47

Originally posted by deapee:

Very good idea! Your sarcasm works VERY well.

Thank you very much!

David.C

01/16/2005 04:02:16 PM · #48

LOL! Boy, has this thread gone south.

@Kavey: I mark all comments useful just to show they have been read.

I know it devalues the feature, but with the lack of communication between the commenter and the photographer it seems the lesser of two evils. Some will likely point out that I can always PM that I have read it. But for the same reason I don't comment on every image I see, only the ones with enough impact to solicit a response; I only reply personally to comments when I have something personal to say in return.

But I certainly agree with the original sentiments; using the feature to decide if the commenter was worth listening to is silly. But when someone feels they need an excuse to reject the comment, they will grab just about anything -- "low percentage of helpful", "new to site", "don't comment much", "from a different culture", "uses a P&S", "drives on the wrong side of the road", "sayes, 'ehh', too much" or any number of other irrelevant statistics.

David

Kavey