How would this have done in Bokeh???

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/10/2005 11:03:09 AM · #28

Originally posted by doctornick:

The challenge is NOT about good bokeh, it's just about having Bokeh.

True, but how much can bad bokeh enhance your subject?

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

01/10/2005 11:06:13 AM · #29

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by doctornick:
The challenge is NOT about good bokeh, it's just about having Bokeh.

True, but how much can bad bokeh enhance your subject?

Good point!

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

01/10/2005 11:15:16 AM · #30

Originally posted by doctornick:

The challenge is NOT about good bokeh, it's just about having Bokeh.

Since there is such a wide range of opinion's on what bokeh is, AND discussion on how voter's could/should judge the challenge photos, I decided to post the info I did to perhaps gain a little influence on my interpretation...that's all. ;)

Originally posted by nsbca7:

When people refer to good bokeh they are usually refering to the roundish shapes you get when foreground or background objects are out of focus. These can be points of light, patterns on the wall, leaves of trees or Christmas lights. This is a narrow definition. Literally it just means foreground or background blur. If you wanted to score good in this chalenge you would probably have to stick to the narrow definition.

Originally posted by brianlh:

i think the definition is relatively open for interpretation (which is probably why they didn't specify specific shapes and/or other specifics in the challenge description) here - but of course will depend on voter choices as well.

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

Boke has several flavors. You have the non-descript background where everything just melts and allows the foreground to shine. You have the reverse.

You also have the related background. Not just any background but one that is tied to the subject. Example: a man putting on a tie while all other ties filled the background.

Blobs, etc are sometimes the property of the non-descript. Knowing the voters and their propensity for left brain allocation, the definition will probably predominate. Remember, right or wrong, the voters always decide.

Canon EF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 II

01/10/2005 11:18:47 AM · #31

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Since there is such a wide range of opinion's on what bokeh is, AND discussion on how voter's could/should judge the challenge photos

...I say we just skip the whole thing- if it ain't Bokeh, don't fix it.

debitipton

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/10/2005 11:44:25 AM · #32

This was my second choice for the Bokeh Challenge but I wasn't sure there was enough bokeh in the photo. What do you think?

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

01/10/2005 11:54:11 AM · #33

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Since there is such a wide range of opinion's on what bokeh is, AND discussion on how voter's could/should judge the challenge photos

...I say we just skip the whole thing- if it ain't Bokeh, don't fix it.

:-)

peecee

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/10/2005 01:37:42 PM · #34

Originally posted by peecee:

Once again time and the weather didn't favour me for the bokeh challenge, the only dry day( yesterday) was blowin a gale, anyway I submitted one,currently in the low 5s.
Wonder what people think of one of my alternative shots,nothing like my entry, what do you think, is it bokeh ? how would you have voted this one?

Bump.... Please, any opinions ?

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/10/2005 02:38:34 PM · #35

I think the lions and peecee's fence both exhibit Bokeh. In the case of the lions, the background plays a minor role in enhancing the image, but it's a good shot. I'd like to see the focal point moved back a bit on that fence- it's too close to the edge for me.

I was toying around with something like this yesterday, but ended up going in a different direction.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

01/10/2005 02:54:37 PM · #36

Originally posted by scalvert:

I was toying around with something like this yesterday, but ended up going in a different direction.

thanks for giving us all a lift up by taking yourself in a different direction ;-)

nsbca7

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

01/10/2005 03:00:34 PM · #37

Originally posted by skiprow:

Originally posted by scalvert:
I was toying around with something like this yesterday, but ended up going in a different direction.

thanks for giving us all a lift up by taking yourself in a different direction ;-)

I agree. The bokeh in this image takes your eyes from the subject. Bad bokeh IMO.

ace flyman

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/10/2005 03:04:47 PM · #38

Yes, but its bokeh. Alot what I see in the challenge is shallow dof, or just blur background. I'd score this at 5 for a good attemp at bokeh.

nsbca7

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

01/10/2005 03:05:32 PM · #39

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Since we're all discussing bokeh in this thread and perhaps still trying to influence voters' perceptions of correct bokeh - I put this out there for consideration.

The following is an excerpt from What is Bokeh by KenRockwell.
//www.kenrockwell.com/tech/bokeh.htm

Fig. 1. Poor Bokeh. This is a greatly magnified blur circle showing very poor bokeh. Note how the edge is sharply defined and even emphasized for a point that is supposed to be out-of-focus, and that the center is dim.

Fig 2. Neutral Bokeh. This is a a technically perfect and evenly illuminated blur circle. This isn't good either for bokeh, because the edge is still well defined. Out-of-focus objects, either points of light or lines, can effectively create reasonably sharp lines in the image due to the edges of the sharp blur circle. This is the blur circle from with most modern lenses designed to be "perfect."

Fig. 3. Good Bokeh. Here is what we want. This is great for bokeh since the edge is completely undefined. This also is the result of the same spherical aberration, but in the opposite direction, of the poor example seen in Fig. 1. This is where art and engineering start to diverge, since the better looking image is the result of an imperfection. Perfect bokeh demands a Gaussian blur circle distribution, and lenses are designed for the neutral example shown in 2.) above.

Of the three bird photos submitted by nsbca7, I think this one is the best representation for the bokeh challenge - again, just my opinion. :-)

I did not submit those photos, it was a quote. And again I think the first one

is better bokeh because it better enhances the image. I will strongly disagree. you should not be looking at these pictures on strictly technical terms, but for overall pleasing effects.

Message edited by author 2005-01-10 15:14:57.

aznym

Fujifilm X-T3

Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR

01/10/2005 03:06:07 PM · #40

My Bokeh is bigger than yours!

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/10/2005 03:08:52 PM · #41

Originally posted by xion:

My Bokeh is bigger than yours!

thanks for not entering this, and giving the rest of us a chance ;-)

aznym

Fujifilm X-T3

Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR

01/10/2005 03:10:44 PM · #42

Ahem ... it's bad Bokeh .. which is like negative energy ... :S