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01/06/2005 11:40:09 PM · #51 |
Glad to see I was not alone. Add me to the list that felt very uncomfortable. I have taken candids in a big city crowded environment but in my local town I found it so hard I did not get any decent shot, no entry. I think this year I'll spend more time down in Seattle at the Pike Street Market or Seattle Center honing my skills and nerve.
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01/07/2005 12:29:33 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I think the ethics part comes in when there is some expectation of privacy, say in an intimate scene, such as what Brad was shooting with the couple. Also, if it were to be published somewhere. I was just saying that as photographers we should also put ourselves in the place of the subject(s) in question and ask if someone uninvited took our picture for a use and reason unbeknownst if that would sit right with us. There is a different comfort level for all photographers and subjects regarding candid photography and the photographer should use keen judgement as to when it's ok to shoot, and when not to. Certainly in the beautiful picture you posted of the man in colorful African garb
it seems innocuous enough, but is it ok to photograph bathing beauties in bikinis at a public beach? Would that be ok if it were your significant other who was the one photographed? I'm just raising the issue and not taking sides here as I have taken candids in public places, but just saying that I'm not totally comfortable doing so from an ethical standpoint.
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i guess that's where we differ - I have no expectation of privacy when I'm standing in the middle of a public place.
I agree that if you're going to publish them you should have a release signed. I think Mav once said that even in the US there's no legal obligation to do so, but i believe it's a courtesy.
I'm not talking paprazzi 1200mm lenses into people's bathrooms here...the discussion was about photographing people interacting in a public place. I'm not uncomfortable doing it. You apparently are, and that's perfectly fine; but when you call it an 'ethical issue' you're casting a judgment on those of us who disagree with you.
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01/07/2005 02:01:25 AM · #53 |
I'm not casting judgement on any photographer who disagrees or who partakes in candid photography but just saying that there is an ethical issue that, irrespective of the applicable laws for a given locality, the photographer should consider in making a decision as to whether or not to proceed with photographing strangers in public places. There are different comfort levels for different photographers in different situations. Certainly, if you are photographing people at a public event, such as a sporting event, or demonstration, then I don't think that, ethically speaking, a person has the expectation of privacy. On the other hand, where a couple are being intimate with each other, even in a public space, it's one thing for bypassers to look, but another totally for a photographer to become part of their scene by intruding with her/his camera. The laws being on the side of the photographer in the US (doesn't seem so in Canada or France) doesn't excuse that photographer from acting inconsiderately or insensitively, imo.
I think photographers need to be very careful when photographing certain subjects in certain settings, especially children. Many professional occupations have code of ethics that need to be considered in the practice of their profession. For example, I'm now reading a book about graphic design and the author talks about the ethical considerations that a graphic designer should consider...such as whether or not a product of an advertisement that is being designed coincides with the designers own values. The same holds true for photography. Also, like I stated above, anyone can get sued or accosted for partaking in their craft/art. I would hate for any photographer to have to defend themselves in a court of law or with physical force.
Originally posted by Pedro:
... but when you call it an 'ethical issue' you're casting a judgment on those of us who disagree with you. |
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01/07/2005 05:29:57 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm not casting judgement on any photographer who disagrees or who partakes in candid photography but just saying that there is an ethical issue that, irrespective of the applicable laws for a given locality, the photographer should consider in making a decision as to whether or not to proceed with photographing strangers in public places. There are different comfort levels for different photographers in different situations. Certainly, if you are photographing people at a public event, such as a sporting event, or demonstration, then I don't think that, ethically speaking, a person has the expectation of privacy. On the other hand, where a couple are being intimate with each other, even in a public space, it's one thing for bypassers to look, but another totally for a photographer to become part of their scene by intruding with her/his camera. The laws being on the side of the photographer in the US (doesn't seem so in Canada or France) doesn't excuse that photographer from acting inconsiderately or insensitively, imo.
I think photographers need to be very careful when photographing certain subjects in certain settings, especially children. Many professional occupations have code of ethics that need to be considered in the practice of their profession. For example, I'm now reading a book about graphic design and the author talks about the ethical considerations that a graphic designer should consider...such as whether or not a product of an advertisement that is being designed coincides with the designers own values. The same holds true for photography. Also, like I stated above, anyone can get sued or accosted for partaking in their craft/art. I would hate for any photographer to have to defend themselves in a court of law or with physical force.
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Actually in Canada it seems we can pretty much do as we will :) I had a friend find her picture enlarged to 16x20 and hung in the window of a framing shop, and she didn't even know it had been taken. She spoke with a lawyer who informed her the most she could do was ask him to take it down. No defensible legal recourse, and no means of forcing him to remove it.
anyhow - I hear your point. it's all coming down to the 'expectation of privacy' issue, which we seems to have differing opinions on. no big.
In terms of having to defend myself from legal or physical recourse...that's true. It's also true that someone can sue me for spilling coffee on themselves, so that argument is almost irrelevant.
about kids - being a parent...I am completely onside with that one. parents have a right to know what i'm doing. they can't stop me from doing it, but I'd respect their wishes if they ask me to stop. I shoot candids all the time, and never had a parent fail to give me their e-mail address to send the pics. I've actually scored some paying gigs as a result :)
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