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01/02/2005 05:39:11 PM · #1 |
| What is meant by "original camera file"? I take over 10,000 images a year with an 11 meg camera. How do you save all of your raw files? That would be over 1,000 gigs. I can see doing this for a regular chalenge, because after the chalenge is over you can delete the original files. Why can't these be validated by converting the image to script? |
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01/02/2005 05:42:22 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
That would be over 1,000 gigs. |
Er... maybe 100 gigs. But still... |
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01/02/2005 05:42:24 PM · #3 |
I have over 20,000 RAW files stored off on DVD. I keep the last 3 monthd 'live' on hard disk.
To be honest I find it really difficult to throw anything away.
I recommend backing up any raw files which you use to process on into psd or any post shot work.
Message edited by author 2005-01-02 17:42:41. |
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01/02/2005 05:45:18 PM · #4 |
I think your math is off just a bit, I belive the 1Ds makes raw files that are right around 10 Meg, 10,000 of these would be 100 Gigs,
Not hard to store at all. At 4.4 Gig per DVD this is less then 25 DVD, at $0.30 / blank DVD you are looking at about $8 for a year's worth of DVD, double that for a backup set.
Message edited by author 2005-01-02 17:46:40. |
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01/02/2005 05:49:35 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Falc:
I recommend backing up any raw files which you use to process on into psd or any post shot work. |
I get my images the way I want them and save them as Tiffs. I have no intention of saving my raw files. Too much time and space. I won't enter regular chalenges unless the theme happens to be something I am already working on. Kind of limits that. I probably won't be entering the 2004 either for lack of the raw files.
Message edited by author 2005-01-02 17:51:29. |
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01/02/2005 05:57:45 PM · #6 |
I really don't find it any trouble to drop in a dvd once i get 4.4gigs of raw,jpg and psd files. It needs doing maybe once or twice a month at the moment.
It means I always have a route back to the original files, I can re-crop, re-process at any time. I would be very worried by only keeping the processed images. |
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01/02/2005 06:11:32 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Falc:
I would be very worried by only keeping the processed images. |
Why? |
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01/02/2005 06:15:56 PM · #8 |
| Wait, Wait! Unless you I,m using PS 8 the computer automatically converts a file to Tiff as soon as you open it, doesn't it? |
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01/02/2005 06:23:54 PM · #9 |
Either way, math or ease of storage aside, I think this is a reasonable question - although some of us do, not everyone saves their originals for this long of a period of time (and it's not unreasonable to delete them, depending on your needs).
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01/02/2005 06:27:39 PM · #10 |
well its pretty simple! If you cant show the original you cant enter it to the challenge!
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01/02/2005 06:33:44 PM · #11 |
why does it hafe to be a raw file? Is that all you shoot in? I usally shoot in jpeg fine and I seem to have the same quailty as a raw file.
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01/02/2005 06:39:32 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Travis99:
why does it hafe to be a raw file? Is that all you shoot in? I usally shoot in jpeg fine and I seem to have the same quailty as a raw file. |
In RAW you can adjust exposure, WB, etc on the computer so you can never set the wrong white balance!
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01/02/2005 07:17:29 PM · #13 |
I can't imagine using a 1Ds and not saving the raw files. I can see shooting jpg file to get more on a card but once you have the raw on your computer it is so easy to save. You might think you have the image just the way you want it but things change, raw converters improve, or you find your monitor is out of calibration, or any number of other things that might make you want to have the raw on hand. I bought a 250 gig external hard drive for less then $250, that will hold a lot of raw files. It takes very little time to off load these onto a DVD, which I do as an archive backup of what is on the hard drive.
About 4 years ago I went through a period of adjusting my photos so they looked good on my monitor only to find out that my monitor was out of calibration, I could re-adjust the photos and get back most of what I had but it would have been a lot better if I saved the original files. Now I never delete the original file.
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01/02/2005 07:21:03 PM · #14 |
the reality of it is, the image on the card is your negative. when you (if you ever did) shot film, would you even consider throwing out the negatives?!? why would you treat your digital capture any differently, when all it takes is some simple workflow habits to archive them away safely. you never, never know when you just might need one...
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01/02/2005 07:22:58 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Wait, Wait! Unless you I,m using PS 8 the computer automatically converts a file to Tiff as soon as you open it, doesn't it? |
No.
I transfer all files from the CF card to my hard disc. When I open a raw file the format of the original stays as CRW. If I choose to save any processing then I can choose tiff, jpg or psd. The CRW file remains unaltered. I am using PS 8.
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01/02/2005 07:34:18 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
the reality of it is, the image on the card is your negative. when you (if you ever did) shot film, would you even consider throwing out the negatives?!? why would you treat your digital capture any differently, when all it takes is some simple workflow habits to archive them away safely. you never, never know when you just might need one...
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My parents did shoot a lot of film, and they have either thrown away or lost the negatives, they drive me nuts sometimes. I wanted to scan some of their negatives with our film scanner, come to find out that whereas they have many hundreds of photos (prints) they don’t have the negatives to the printsâ€Â¦ARG!!!.
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01/02/2005 07:43:53 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by scottwilson:
My parents did shoot a lot of film, and they have either thrown away or lost the negatives, they drive me nuts sometimes |
precisely...it's one thing to have lost the original source for all the family snapshots, it's another thing altogether for someone seriously into photography (especially if they have any professional or semi-professional aspirations) to commit the same mistakes... |
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01/02/2005 08:25:08 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I transfer all files from the CF card to my hard disc. When I open a raw file the format of the original stays as CRW. If I choose to save any processing then I can choose tiff, jpg or psd. The CRW file remains unaltered. I am using PS 8. |
That is what I said, Photoshop 8. The Ds1 does not utilize CRWs. In PS 7 it saves them as TIF files. |
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01/02/2005 08:40:41 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by scottwilson:
come to find out that whereas they have many hundreds of photos (prints) they don’t have the negatives to the printsâ€Â¦ARG!!!. |
OK, this is not even the same thing. I do have 62 Mb files which have been backed up of all the images I decide to keep. It's not like I have to scan a print or somthing to get the image back. These have been ajusted for exposure, contrast and color before I save them. I don't do exstensive alterations, ever. As far as my apple monitor being out of calibration I know that is something I need not worry about. |
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01/03/2005 12:26:40 AM · #20 |
| OK, I found one in the trash on my AMD computer. So I have an entry. Probably not my best, but... |
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01/03/2005 02:10:30 AM · #21 |
This may not apply to some of our more advanced members but I think it goes for many who are still learning like me. What you think is the best you can get out of a certain shot today may be eclipsed by what you can do with it a few months, or years, down the road when your post-processing skills have improved. Also you may find different uses for your shots. One that is edited down to 150 for a challenge now may be desired for a print later on when your talents are farther along.
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01/03/2005 08:39:59 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I transfer all files from the CF card to my hard disc. When I open a raw file the format of the original stays as CRW. If I choose to save any processing then I can choose tiff, jpg or psd. The CRW file remains unaltered. I am using PS 8. |
That is what I said, Photoshop 8. The Ds1 does not utilize CRWs. In PS 7 it saves them as TIF files. |
... but what format does the camera use? Sure, after you've made adjustments to the RAW image you can save it as tiff or jpeg or psd or whatever. The original file from the camera before even opening PS is what? Does the camera save the captures as tiff on the CF card?
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01/06/2005 05:37:18 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
... but what format does the camera use? Sure, after you've made adjustments to the RAW image you can save it as tiff or jpeg or psd or whatever. The original file from the camera before even opening PS is what? Does the camera save the captures as tiff on the CF card? |
When you check the raw file by going into properties the file shows up as a Tif with one f. This is as soon as it come of the camera in RAW mode and before opening the image. I don't kwow if the RAW is a Tiff in the camera. When the file is saved onto the computer from the camera in RAW the file is 11Mb. After I open it in photoshop it automatically expands to 62Mb. |
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