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 12/21/2004 12:33:39 PM · #1
Well, I figured maybe it would be ok to copy ANY ribbon winning image since it didn't say in the description that you could only imitate those that fit the advanced rules. My bad!

Anyway, I just wanted to say how much fun it was to try to duplicate someone elses photo. I knew I wanted to do Scalverts "Drain Pipe Creatures" the minute the challenge was put up. I thought it would be a unique photo to do. I really didn't want to duplicate one that I thought everybody else would be doing (Filter Heart)!

Thanks for those that commented while my entry was up. I remember a couple of the comments, but the rest are lost. So feel free to add your comments on to this copy.

Here is my DQ'd entry
12/21/2004 12:40:44 PM · #2
Sorry for your loss. I thought it was pretty well done.
12/21/2004 12:41:34 PM · #3
I don't understand why it was DQ'ed could you explain better? please.
 12/21/2004 12:43:12 PM · #4
I am sure you must have been DQed for another reason, not for copying the wrong image.

Barbara
 12/21/2004 12:44:42 PM · #5
I was afraid of that. I was actually showing a coworker your picture when it disappeared around 9:20 this morning. It was fun seeing your spoof while it lasted. :-(
 12/21/2004 12:45:08 PM · #6
Originally posted by Discraft:
I don't understand why it was DQ'ed could you explain better? please.


He was DQed for adding text, I'm sure.

The original image was in a "special" challenge, which allowed the addition of test to the image. DPC Album Cover challenge, I think.
12/21/2004 12:45:29 PM · #7
Oh, Sorry! I thought it was obvious.

[SC Quote]
This image has been disqualified for the following reason:

No text may be added to your submission. This challenge is under the Advanced ruleset, and not the rules of any previous challenge. Please review the challenge submission rules.
[/SC Quote]
 12/21/2004 12:45:49 PM · #8
I'm sure it was DQ'd for adding type. That was a special rule for the Album Cover challenge, but not allowed under Advanced Editing.
 12/21/2004 12:47:01 PM · #9
Originally posted by MWitt:
Well, I figured maybe it would be ok to copy ANY ribbon winning image since it didn't say in the description that you could only imitate those that fit the advanced rules. My bad! ...


This is the first time I've really been upset about a DQ -- I could understand the reason behind all the others, but just can't agree with this one. I greatly admire your attitude, especially considering what we all went through after the last DQ!
 12/21/2004 12:49:30 PM · #10
Originally posted by scalvert:
I was afraid of that. I was actually showing a coworker your picture when it disappeared around 9:20 this morning. It was fun seeing your spoof while it lasted. :-(


Thanks Shannon,

Yeah, I usually don't read the Current Challenge forum posts until after a challenge. I don't like to be swayed in doing my shots one way or another, which I feel this type of thread does. But, maybe if I had, I would have known that they weren't going to allow it. I just figured it'd be ok. I think next time they have a challenge like this they should be a little more specific with thier description. If you can't imitate ALL ribbon winning images, then it should state that somewhere.
 12/21/2004 12:52:09 PM · #11
The only reason for the DQ was in fact because text was added to the image. While text was also added to the original, it was specifically permitted by "special rules" in place for that challenge. Unfortunately, those rules were not in place for this challenge. The majority of the SC felt that we could not allow an exception, since that would not be completely fair to those who limited their choices to photos that could be duplicated under the current advanced rules. This was not an easy decision, and there was significant discussion. Martin's grace in accepting the outcome should be an example for all of us to emulate.
 12/21/2004 12:53:16 PM · #12
Sad: that was certainly an outstanding one because it succeeded as a caricature of a caricature and this is so hard to do and you did it.
The other alternative was to have lifted Scalvert's drain pipe printed, cut a hole in it and insert your image. Anyway, my condolence on your loss. But hey, you have the talent and you can use all over again in the next endeavors.
 12/21/2004 12:53:37 PM · #13
Originally posted by scalvert:
I'm sure it was DQ'd for adding type. That was a special rule for the Album Cover challenge, but not allowed under Advanced Editing.


One of the best parts about imitating your photo was the addition of the text. It was something that I had been wanting to copy. Arcing and tweaking the text to look right going around the drain was time consuming and a learning experience for me. Getting it to look 3D was tough, but I think it turned out great, if I do say so myself.
 12/21/2004 12:53:38 PM · #14
I should note that this was actually do-able under Advanced Editing with a little more work. Just shoot the drain straight-on and add the type in Photoshop, etc., then cut out a good print and paste it over the drain ring. Now shoot with creature in place. If your lighting and color matching are close, you'd only have to clone out the thin edges of the paper in a few spots.
 12/21/2004 12:55:37 PM · #15
Originally posted by MWitt:
... they should be a little more specific with thier description. If you can't imitate ALL ribbon winning images, then it should state that somewhere.

We pretty much agree with this too. You actually could imitate (or parody) any ribbon winner ... you'd just have to be able to do it within the current ruleset.

I'm sorry it's gone too.
 12/21/2004 12:57:05 PM · #16
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Sad: that was certainly an outstanding one because it succeeded as a caricature of a caricature and this is so hard to do and you did it.
The other alternative was to have lifted Scalvert's drain pipe printed, cut a hole in it and insert your image. Anyway, my condolence on your loss. But hey, you have the talent and you can use all over again in the next endeavors.


Thanks Man,

I never even thought about making a print, I was just so excited about doing the 3d text. Good idea for next time.
 12/21/2004 01:10:08 PM · #17
It was a great entry and so well done. I left you a "new" comment. Great to see how well you took the bad news, though - kudos to you ten times over!
 12/21/2004 01:10:33 PM · #18
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MWitt:
... they should be a little more specific with thier description. If you can't imitate ALL ribbon winning images, then it should state that somewhere.

We pretty much agree with this too. You actually could imitate (or parody) any ribbon winner ... you'd just have to be able to do it within the current ruleset.

I'm sorry it's gone too.


And that is my mistake, I didn't think of it that way. LOL
Good luck to everyone, there are some awesome photos in this challenge!
 12/21/2004 01:18:05 PM · #19
Out of selfish curiosity, how was it scoring? ;-)
 12/21/2004 01:28:09 PM · #20
Originally posted by scalvert:
Out of selfish curiosity, how was it scoring? ;-)

Last night when I checked it the score was 5.7. So, not great, but nothing to complain about. (:

Message edited by author 2004-12-21 13:28:49.
 12/21/2004 01:43:08 PM · #21
Originally posted by kirbic:
The only reason for the DQ was in fact because text was added to the image. While text was also added to the original, it was specifically permitted by "special rules" in place for that challenge. Unfortunately, those rules were not in place for this challenge. The majority of the SC felt that we could not allow an exception, since that would not be completely fair to those who limited their choices to photos that could be duplicated under the current advanced rules. This was not an easy decision, and there was significant discussion. Martin's grace in accepting the outcome should be an example for all of us to emulate.


Kirbic, very kind words from you. I would have to agree that Martin's response to this situation is the most gracious I have seen here to date in the six months I have been on this site. My hat is off to you Martin.
 12/21/2004 01:44:16 PM · #22
Question: How does a DQ figure into (affect) your average?
 12/21/2004 01:58:42 PM · #23
Originally posted by aguapreta:
Originally posted by kirbic:
The only reason for the DQ was in fact because text was added to the image. While text was also added to the original, it was specifically permitted by "special rules" in place for that challenge. Unfortunately, those rules were not in place for this challenge. The majority of the SC felt that we could not allow an exception, since that would not be completely fair to those who limited their choices to photos that could be duplicated under the current advanced rules. This was not an easy decision, and there was significant discussion. Martin's grace in accepting the outcome should be an example for all of us to emulate.


Kirbic, very kind words from you. I would have to agree that Martin's response to this situation is the most gracious I have seen here to date in the six months I have been on this site. My hat is off to you Martin.


Thanks Bud and to everyone who feels this way! Seriously, I was broken hearted to see those RED letters on the front page of DPC this morning when I logged on! ):

But, this is just a photo and just a FUN challenge thing! I think if everyone would just keep that in mind, we would all have a good time here. I guess my urge to be competitive, in comparison to my urge to be acknowledged, is way down on my list.

I think that over the year or so that I have been on this site, the rules have had to become a little too constrictive due to some of the users feelings being hurt or they get the feeling of being disadvantaged in some way. This actually hurt everyone else in my opinion, because now we have to spell everything out so that no one gets offended or left out.

Anyway, Thanks!


12/21/2004 01:59:43 PM · #24
Originally posted by MWitt:
Last night when I checked it the score was 5.7. So, not great, but nothing to complain about. (:


Really?? How come it was that low?
I also join the crowds here with my condolence on your, or actually our loss. Great picture and wonderful work!

12/21/2004 02:16:11 PM · #25
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Question: How does a DQ figure into (affect) your average?

At present time, it doesn't. But lengthy discussions have been underway amongst the SC in regards to changing this down the road. No decisions have been made yet, but many of us feel that some sort of penalty is necessary to prevent "DQ abuse", where a low-scoring image is "intentionally" removed from a challenge by not submitting proof when requested, etc.
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