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11/30/2004 11:23:10 PM · #26
Originally posted by Gauti:

edit ps
What is this Page expelled in 0.035 sec?
Is this one of the priviliges the SC? :) to be expelled in .035 secs :)


LOL!

That just measures how long it took from when the DPC server received your request for a page until it generated the page. If the site is running slow, that can be used to determine whether the problem is the DPC servers or something else (like general Internet congestion).

-Terry
11/30/2004 11:36:37 PM · #27
For a more "organic" explanation, check out the same tag line over at //DeviantArt.com : )
12/01/2004 04:08:30 AM · #28
Cannot contain multiple images or multiple exposures, but then notes that any in camera adjustment is acceptable.

Where does that leave those who have the ability to take multiple exposures with their camera while those of us without that feature cannot?
12/01/2004 04:17:32 AM · #29
Originally posted by Arcanist:

Cannot contain multiple images or multiple exposures, but then notes that any in camera adjustment is acceptable.

Where does that leave those who have the ability to take multiple exposures with their camera while those of us without that feature cannot?


Those of us without that feature would have to simulate a multiple exposure using other methods. This is not new and in fact has been in the rules since day 1.

-Terry
12/01/2004 06:31:20 AM · #30
Originally posted by Arcanist:

Cannot contain multiple images or multiple exposures, but then notes that any in camera adjustment is acceptable.

Where does that leave those who have the ability to take multiple exposures with their camera while those of us without that feature cannot?

It gets a bit more interesting than this, albiet on a slight tangent (and for advanced rules only) -- There is a technique for boosting the dynamic range of the image by mixing multiple exposures of the same image (say one image exposed for the sky and another for the ground) -- this is allowed or disallowed based on what camera is used. In this thread (scroll down) it was put to a SC vote and validated as legal if the multiple exposures are 'exposure compensated' from the same RAW file. Thus the technigue is completely banned or not depending on what the camera is capable of.

It's a shame, the technique is powerful and greatly increases the scenes that can be photographed (especially outdoors).

David

Message edited by Manic - fixing the link.
12/01/2004 06:47:46 AM · #31
From the section on Image Submission Format:

Ownership: If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.

How does this affect those who show their potential entries to their DPC-friends before submission?
12/01/2004 06:50:36 AM · #32
Can we edit channels in isolation, but to the whole image?

Conversion to lab colour allows editing of Lightness channel only - is this OK?
12/01/2004 06:59:53 AM · #33
Originally posted by Koriyama:

How does this affect those who show their potential entries to their DPC-friends before submission?

This rule addition was included to prevent groups of people all collaborating on one shot, but shouldn't prevent a single photographer from getting advice from others. Admittedly, it's a bit of a grey area, but the intention is to keep each entry the work of just one person.

Originally posted by Imagineer:

Can we edit channels in isolation, but to the whole image? Conversion to lab colour allows editing of Lightness channel only - is this OK?

Yes and yes.
12/01/2004 07:43:45 AM · #34
Originally posted by Manic:

Originally posted by Koriyama:

How does this affect those who show their potential entries to their DPC-friends before submission?

This rule addition was included to prevent groups of people all collaborating on one shot, but shouldn't prevent a single photographer from getting advice from others. Admittedly, it's a bit of a grey area, but the intention is to keep each entry the work of just one person.


So for clarification, advice is kosher, having someone else do your color editing, for you (or any editing for that matter) is not unless approved by SC prior to submission?

Clara
12/01/2004 07:49:43 AM · #35
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:


Originally posted by KaDi:

one or two solid colours very inclusive spelling of colours : )


Ben wrote that ;-)


Hey, that's the correct spelling! :P
12/01/2004 07:59:03 AM · #36
I have a question concerning the following paragraph:
Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.

The last sentence states: If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.

Defining the word collaborate: 1. To work together, especially in a join intellectual effort.

If a couple of users want to work together on a shoot, will this rule influence it? say go out shooting together?

Message edited by author 2004-12-01 08:00:01.
12/01/2004 08:00:47 AM · #37
Originally posted by blemt:

So for clarification, advice is kosher, having someone else do your color editing, for you (or any editing for that matter) is not unless approved by SC prior to submission?

That's my understanding of the intention of this rule, yes.
12/01/2004 08:01:33 AM · #38
Originally posted by SDW65:

I have a question concerning the following paragraph:
Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.

The last sentence states: If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.

Defining the word collaborate: 1. To work together, especially in a join intellectual effort.

If a couple of users want to work together on a shoot, will this rule influence it? say go out shooting together?


This is more to do with classes in schools who may want to work under one account, or photo groups who might like using one account.
12/01/2004 09:26:28 AM · #39
Originally posted by Britannica:

Originally posted by Arcanist:

Cannot contain multiple images or multiple exposures, but then notes that any in camera adjustment is acceptable.

Where does that leave those who have the ability to take multiple exposures with their camera while those of us without that feature cannot?

It gets a bit more interesting than this, albiet on a slight tangent (and for advanced rules only) -- There is a technique for boosting the dynamic range of the image by mixing multiple exposures of the same image (say one image exposed for the sky and another for the ground) -- this is allowed or disallowed based on what camera is used. In this thread (scroll down) it was put to a SC vote and validated as legal if the multiple exposures are 'exposure compensated' from the same RAW file. Thus the technigue is completely banned or not depending on what the camera is capable of.

It's a shame, the technique is powerful and greatly increases the scenes that can be photographed (especially outdoors).

David


There are other ways to get some more dynamic range, most are legal in Advanced, most not in basic rules. One i have found lately that seems to help in several areas is a USM of 30-40%, radius of 60 to 80 and thresh hold of 1. (try 30/60/1 and play from there). It will remove haze and overall lighten teh pic and shadows. Only deficit is may blow out borderline areas, but you can do it on a seperate layer and adjust the opacity (50-100% works for most pics)
12/01/2004 09:33:14 AM · #40
Originally posted by bestagents:

Only deficit is may blow out borderline areas, but you can do it on a seperate layer and adjust the opacity (50-100% works for most pics)

Since this thread is about the Basic Editing rules, I wanted to clarify that you cannot apply unsharp mask on a "seperate layer and adjust the opacity" under the Basic Editing guidelines. Image layers (those that contain pixels) are only legal in Advanced Editing. Under Basic Editing, only Adjustment Layers (such as Hue/Saturation, Brightness/Contrast, etc.), which do not contain any pixel data, can be used, and must be applied in Normal mode.

Message edited by author 2004-12-01 09:35:13.
12/01/2004 09:48:01 AM · #41
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Arcanist:

Cannot contain multiple images or multiple exposures, but then notes that any in camera adjustment is acceptable.

Where does that leave those who have the ability to take multiple exposures with their camera while those of us without that feature cannot?


Those of us without that feature would have to simulate a multiple exposure using other methods. This is not new and in fact has been in the rules since day 1.

-Terry

...But the new rules state "Your entry must come from a single photograph, taken during the specified challenge timeframe. You may not combine multiple exposures..."

That tells me you may [b]not[\b] do multiple exposures - whether in camera or not. The following paragraph stating that any in-camera mods may be done seems to contradict that, ...assuming you consider multiple exposures to be in-camera modifications. I think that assumption is open to interpretation.

12/01/2004 09:58:03 AM · #42
Anything done in-camera takes precidence over the other aspects of the rules, and is always permitted - if the camera produces just one original from a multi-exposure, then that counts as a single photograph.
12/01/2004 10:01:49 AM · #43
Originally posted by Manic:

Anything done in-camera takes precidence over the other aspects of the rules, and is always permitted - if the camera produces just one original from a multi-exposure, then that counts as a single photograph.

Then perhaps just adding the phrase ", unless and except in-camera" to "You may not take multiple exposures." would be a simple clarification for simple minds like mine :-).

(Corrected for spelling)

Message edited by author 2004-12-01 10:02:26.
12/01/2004 10:03:40 AM · #44
Didn't we all vote in favour of changing the rules to only allow a plain border? Or did I imagine the outcome?
12/01/2004 10:05:10 AM · #45
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Didn't we all vote in favour of changing the rules to only allow a plain border? Or did I imagine the outcome?

That was a poll, not a vote.
12/01/2004 10:09:25 AM · #46
Originally posted by Koriyama:

From the section on Image Submission Format:

Ownership: If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.

How does this affect those who show their potential entries to their DPC-friends before submission?


This is my own understanding of the background on this rule:

We recently became aware that some users may be sending original or partially-processed images to others for post-processing. This rule was put in place to put a stop to that.

We understand that peer mentoring is an important part of artistic growth. Discussion of how to best capture a particular subject and feedback on post-processing is an important part of the mentoring process. Generally speaking, this rule will not be used to prevent photographers from sharing images privately with a few friends for suggestions for improvement. Any actual post-processing work must be done by the photographer.

-Terry
12/01/2004 10:21:21 AM · #47
Originally posted by blemt:

Originally posted by Manic:

Originally posted by Koriyama:

How does this affect those who show their potential entries to their DPC-friends before submission?

This rule addition was included to prevent groups of people all collaborating on one shot, but shouldn't prevent a single photographer from getting advice from others. Admittedly, it's a bit of a grey area, but the intention is to keep each entry the work of just one person.


So for clarification, advice is kosher, having someone else do your color editing, for you (or any editing for that matter) is not unless approved by SC prior to submission?

Clara


Yes, that is correct. We understand there are cases where such editing may be necessary; for example a colorblind user may want or need someone else to do their color editing, or a 7-year-old child might need significant help in working their editing software. Such cases are the reason for allowing exceptions with prior permission from Site Council.

-Terry
12/01/2004 10:25:03 AM · #48
Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by bestagents:

Only deficit is may blow out borderline areas, but you can do it on a seperate layer and adjust the opacity (50-100% works for most pics)

Since this thread is about the Basic Editing rules, I wanted to clarify that you cannot apply unsharp mask on a "seperate layer and adjust the opacity" under the Basic Editing guidelines. Image layers (those that contain pixels) are only legal in Advanced Editing. Under Basic Editing, only Adjustment Layers (such as Hue/Saturation, Brightness/Contrast, etc.), which do not contain any pixel data, can be used, and must be applied in Normal mode.


Eddy,

It seems our interpretations of this rule disagree. I'd like to discuss this on the Site-Council rules revision thread and then issue an official interpretation to the users.

Thanks,
Terry
12/01/2004 11:00:04 AM · #49
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Didn't we all vote in favour of changing the rules to only allow a plain border? Or did I imagine the outcome?

That was a poll, not a vote.


BTW, I may have reported this instead of quoting it... 2nd time I've done this. Sorry to whoever gets to check out reported posts. Maybe it might be worth removing the button, as it's too near to where I'm used to quickly quoting posts.

Edit: I meant move the button, not remove it!

Anyway, what I said was:
Oh, a 'poll' and not a 'vote'.
Wonder what the point of it was.

Message edited by author 2004-12-01 11:00:36.
12/01/2004 11:08:43 AM · #50
The point of any poll is to get an idea of the public's opinion. Had there been an overwhelming majority one way or the other, then I could see a reason to act on it. I don't think the poll was worded clearly enough in that case, or there might have been a more decisive result.
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