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Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

11/29/2004 04:41:23 AM · #1

looking for a bit of feed back. The time passing challenge was interesting. Here was my original entry:

I was curious if this image would have done any better.

I took this of a sunset, then I unsubmitted it because I figured there would be many multiple exposures in the challenge.

Any feedback would be nice.

tyt2000

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/29/2004 04:47:32 AM · #2

I think the one you entered is the better one :)

snackwells

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

11/29/2004 04:55:13 AM · #3

Hi there. I liked your original submission. Concerning the outtake, I think it's a clever shot, certainly with the sun at the varied positions in the sky, must have been a LONG exposure. There is too much flare for my taste, however.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

11/29/2004 06:41:27 AM · #4

bud, you went with the right entry, and a top-20 is a great finish! could it have done better? maybe if the flash had been been toned down just a bit, to leave more of the natural texture of the hand.

Tamron SP 24-70mm F/2.8 Di VC USD for Nikon

11/29/2004 11:16:41 AM · #5

Originally posted by snackwells:

Thanks for the imput. My out take was taken as a multiple exposure, actually 4 exposures. There was nothing interesting in the direction of the sun, so I took a shot of an interesting foreground in a different direction. Then, I took three more photos of the the sun. Since I did not have a tripod with me at the time, and I was in a hurry, I simulated the motion of the sun by moving my camera to register the image of the sun in different positions. It worked out pretty good.

There was quite a bit of haze on this day, so it worked to take pictures of the sun.

My challenge entry was totally unplanned. I was holding my 2 month old daughter with my camera beside me on the table. SHe latched on to my thumb. I set the camera on macro, took three or four shots and this was the best.

rkligman

Nikon D750

11/29/2004 01:35:48 PM · #6

When you say multiple exposure, do you mean multiple shots? In the old days this meant not advancing the film. In digital that is not possible but rather you combine multiple images to produce one.

The reason I ask is because the rules specifically prohibit this activity which means that panaramas and such that require stiching would be illegal so I don't shoot them. Am I missing something?

Tamron SP 24-70mm F/2.8 Di VC USD for Nikon

11/29/2004 04:23:58 PM · #7

Originally posted by rkligman:

Yes, multiple exposure means multiple shots, in this case four. But, since they were combined "in camera" using the multiple exposure feature on my FujiFilm S7000, it would be allowed under the challenge rules. What is not allowed is combining various photos using post processing, that is computer based software. At least, this is my understand of the rules.

From this link...
//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=6

" Your entry must come from a single photograph, taken during the specified challenge timeframe. You may not post-process your entry from or to include elements of multiple images, multiple exposures, clip art, computer-rendered images, or elements from other photographs (even those taken during the challenge week), and other similar items."

"Any modification done inside the digital camera itself is considered acceptable for challenge submission."

That "any modification done inside the camera..." is a pretty wide door to enter through. The trick is figuring out how to do it inside the camera.

rkligman

Nikon D750

11/29/2004 05:02:19 PM · #8

Wow, you can do that in your camera? I've never seen a feature like that. I wonder if I've got that nugget in mine. Probably not since I read the manual front to back. I wish I did from time to time though. Cool. Yes, if the camera did it then it's within the rules. Just wanted to make sure I had my rules right. Now if I can just interpret the contest topic correctly... I way blew it on this one thinking that something had to move in the image to indicate time passing IN the image, not IMPLYING that time passed. I would have had a lot more choices in what I thought I could shoot.

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/29/2004 07:38:56 PM · #9

Your original submission was the better choice of the two. Generally speaking you should never question a score over 6.

For the record your submission is an excellent concept and well composed image, that is why it scored as well as it did in the first place.

The alternate choice, on the other hand, would have benefited greatly with noise reduction but probably would not have scored as well as your actual submission.

The original, however, is just a bit oversharpened and would have benefited from one of two Photoshop sharpening techniques, assuming you use Photoshop. :)

What I suggest here is above and beyond standard USM. If you can get it right with USM then neither is necessary.

The first technique would be what you would have done to the original. The second is what you would do to the image as it is right now. In both you create a new layer. Both methods work and may be common practices for all I know.

In the first, for the original, you duplicate the image to a new layer and severely oversharpen that new layer to excess. Then simply adjust the opacity of that new layer to make the composite image appear sharpened to your satisfaction. You want to experiment with the amount of oversharpening you want to apply to the new layer to get the sharpening that you want in the combined composite. Every image is unique.

In the second, which is oversharpened already, you would do basically the same thing. The only difference is that in this method you use gaussian blur to "over blur" to the max the second layer. Again, you adjust the opacity of the blurred layer to "adjust" the focus of the composite to make it just right.

It goes without saying that if you get the focus right in the original then you will not have to apply either technique after USM. But I suspect that some focusing will always be needed to make the image just the way you want it. That is usually true.

I might also suggest that both methods are valid for both "basic" and "advanced" editing at DPC since both are applied to the whole image.

In any regard, your original is a very good image and deserving of it's very good score.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/30/2004 01:46:42 AM · #10

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Thanks for your insightful response. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to answer so completely.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

11/30/2004 01:58:47 AM · #11

How can you tell if you camera I capable of multiple exposure? I canâ��t find anywhere in my cameras manual that says my camera can do that so I guess it canâ��t. But there was another picture in this challenge that said it was achieved with the cameras multiple exposure mode and I canâ��t find where it says that camera can do it either. I have been looking at DPReview and cant even find where the Fuji S7000 can do that. Do they just not mention it? Am I missing something? I want to know if my can do that? I have a Panasonic FZ20! Is it something that you have to learn how to do or is it marked on the camera? I KNOW a lot of questions but it would be nice to know if it can be done within my camera.

Message edited by author 2004-11-30 02:17:26.