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11/19/2004 05:46:57 PM · #1 |
(Because this focusses on another perspective I started a new thread)
Instead of controlling the number of entries / figuring out ways to lower the amount of entries I think that we, the dpc community, need to focus on another aspect of site participation.
How do we get more people to vote on all entries and to comment more?
600 entries is not a problems if 600 people would take the time to vote on 50-100% of them and comment on some. The real 'problem' (for me personally it is not so big a deal) is that you don't see 300-600 votes on your entry in a 600 entrants challenge. There seem to be a lot of people taking but not giving something back.
Why is it that not all entrants vote on 100% of the entries?
Lack of time? (acceptable) Lack of interest? (why do you expect interest back?) Egoïsts (errr...)?
Remember that there a several members out there that also vote on every challenge they have not entered in (check my received vs given number of votes f.e.).
Instead of thinking about:
* limit number of entries
* splitting up into camera types, skill levels, amount of ribbons, amount of whatever
We might consider:
* for your score to count you need to have voted on min. 50% or 300 of the entries (leave min. 20% for the non participating members)
* to enter special challenges you need to have voted on xxx photos + left xxx number or xxx % of comments.
So what if you can't vote on 100%, so what if you can't comment on 5%. We just like someone to give something back and not only take it all. I'd be happy to go to 1000 or 10.000 entries as long as I see some giving back as well.
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11/19/2004 06:09:34 PM · #2 |
I've been around for a few months now, and have entered 8 challenges (2 pending) and have voted on some 450shots, and left over 150 comments. I also have two jobs, raise twins, and a billion other things so I know bout not having alot of time. I have noticed that I do better in the 'member' challenges than I do in the 'open' challenges. And more people vote in the open challenges (probably because those are all they are allowed to vote in.)
I really don't see a cure for an equal amount of votes per image. I would like to see some ideas on how to make this happen. I think it's hard to take a side but I will, I think it's terrible that one photo could get more votes than another and still have the outcome based on an avg. I know I always see a ton of views while the votes fall behind big time in comparison. I know it's at the perogitive of the web surfer (in open challenges) or the member but I'd really like more votes, I'd rather have alot of opinions than a higher avg.
Anyway, sorry to jack your thread, but I concur!
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11/19/2004 06:16:14 PM · #3 |
| I do agree to some extent, since I too wish people would give back to the community from which they receive. The only flaw that I currently see with this is with people who are essentially 'forced' to vote just jamming through and giving random votes / assigning everything a similar score. While I'm not sure how big of a problem it may be, it certainly would be present among some. |
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11/19/2004 06:18:48 PM · #4 |
I have endless trust in people's good intentions, that is my problem. :)
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11/19/2004 06:19:32 PM · #5 |
I feel that you have eloquently argued an approach for improving the voting / critiquing. My only concern with forcing people to vote, may well improve the volume, but will it have the same effect on quality.
I agree with you sentiment, I am personally frustrated, that I get a number of low votes, but very few of those actually leave comments, as my average comments score is always quite high.
If I ruled the world it would be great to ‘ force people to give constructive feedback, but I know from personal experience with my own children, that if I try and make them do something they don’t want to do. They will do it, but very slowly, very badly and with as much complaint and noise and general lack af co-operation as they can. |
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11/19/2004 06:32:32 PM · #6 |
I think this thread manifests a misunderstanding of what actually went on in a couple of recent challenges. Macro without ... recieved a total of 185,000 votes across all the photos, and 4,408 comments. The next highest number of votes is 125,000, and for comments you have to go back to the October Free Study (easier to comment on, given the free rein) to find more.
60,000 more votes than any other challenge? That's a massive increase.
Places like this site tend to be self-organising, anyway, so i wouldn't worry about it. If it gets unweild large, the fun will go out of it and people will stop submitting and voting, until such a point as it's reduced again to something manageable, and then the surge will start all over again.
There was a high-point, in terms of average number of comments pper photo, about a year and a half ago, but the 8 that the Macro challenge achieved isn't, statistically, some outrageous low-point.
There are more voters, and there are more commenters.
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11/19/2004 06:32:46 PM · #7 |
| What if in order to register a vote of 1, 2, or 3 you would be required to enter a comment? Alternatively, what if in order to continue voting on any images you would be required to enter at least one comment for every 10 or 20 votes cast or something like that. |
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11/19/2004 06:34:28 PM · #8 |
Oh, but I still have a problem with people being forced to break the 20% votes barrier in order to have their votes counted. As the entries grow (and i can't imagine things really getting out of hand until we have around 2000 entries), it becomes increasingly necessary to change that to a specific number of votes, like 50. I feel for those dial-up people valiantly trying not to be excluded.
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11/19/2004 06:36:50 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by fisheye:
What if in order to register a vote of 1, 2, or 3 you would be required to enter a comment? Alternatively, what if in order to continue voting on any images you would be required to enter at least one comment for every 10 or 20 votes cast or something like that. |
I like the principle, but I am concerned that a number of people would in all concious would normally vote a 1,2 or three would either vote higher, to avoid having to coment, or not vote at all. |
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11/19/2004 06:46:06 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by e301:
it becomes increasingly necessary to change that to a specific number of votes, like 50. I feel for those dial-up people valiantly trying not to be excluded.
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The dial-up argument is a good one. These people need not to be forgotten. I remember too well when I was still on dial-up and 150 entries were a lot to go trough.
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11/19/2004 06:46:24 PM · #11 |
i would agree with e301 here, and say that it's a self balancing system to a point. there is always someone who gives more, and one who takes more...
i personally try to vote on all entries where i have a photo entered, but - still sometimes can't even come close.
i also try to spend some time looking, and commenting on non-challenge photos. i think this where you get a peek at the photographer behind the entries.
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11/19/2004 06:49:58 PM · #12 |
I posted this in a different thread, but i think it belongs here instead:
How about this:
we have 3 challenges per week.
1) Advanced editing for members only
2) Basic editing for members only
3) Basic editing for registered users and members (open challenge)
this will (I think) slim up the challenges a bit. many members will be more tempted to post in the Basic/Advanced challenges instead of the open challenge. Maybe it will help to pull more registered users in to upgrade to member status.
Just a thought. I think it would help
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11/19/2004 06:53:57 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
I posted this in a different thread, but i think it belongs here instead:
How about this:
we have 3 challenges per week.
1) Advanced editing for members only
2) Basic editing for members only
3) Basic editing for registered users and members (open challenge)
this will (I think) slim up the challenges a bit. many members will be more tempted to post in the Basic/Advanced challenges instead of the open challenge. Maybe it will help to pull more registered users in to upgrade to member status.
Just a thought. I think it would help |
That works for me, as I'd like to see more topical choices, and that would give that. The only down side I know is that it doesn't address the lowball voting issue, if there really is one. And of course, if you have one of the member topics like B&W, won't that still attract most of the users? Or would you use the same topic for both member challenges?
For solving pure numbers of participants, I still think the dual A/B challenge addresses this best. |
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