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11/19/2004 03:32:45 AM · #26 |
| Ummmm John! Can we shake hands? No offence.... |
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11/19/2004 03:38:46 AM · #27 |
| Nope. I consulted my shrink and we figured that a group hug is the best. |
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11/19/2004 03:38:51 AM · #28 |
I am an educated individual, and I too am very upset with the people on this site, including the admins. I have found a few people to be very helpful, two of them are posting in this thread. I have two masters, work in photojournalism, and teach college photography and cinema. I have been on DPC since mid summer and have chosen to not pay for this site. This has become a community of one-upmanship. In the forums and in the comments on photos. Most people here like to hear themselves speak utter rejection for any idea that is not there own. I give long and detailed educated advice, and people feel the need to post that I write to much. It looks like DPC has gone the way of the television, presenting a lowest common denominator attitude, that rejects civilized thought. The one redeeming value that I have found comes from people that email me saying that I helped them with a problem. I have over twenty of these emails.
In writing this I have decided to not involve myself in this site, not submit for challenges, and not post any more in the forums. I think I will even write an article on my experience for the news wires. If you need to get ahold of me, just email.
Signing off for good,
Sincerely,
Adam Schmidt
Associated Press Photographer
San Francisco State University
adam@genaron.com
Edit:
I have posted this in the rant page. As it turns out the rants don't forward to the main page. So, for the next few days I will check there if you'd like to comment.
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=144632
Message edited by author 2004-11-19 03:53:07. |
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11/19/2004 03:43:04 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
If you look for the bad in something, you surely will find it.
Why would someone want to participate in a site like this anyhow? For me, I figured I might throw in a few photos and see whether anyone would agree whether or not I have a talent for photography. Some do and some dont. Maybe I'll learn some new things and get some ideas from others. Maybe I'll bump into someone who shares the same interests, I might start up a friendship and if not, so be it. My decision to join this site was motivated by a joy to take pictures and share my perspective within a community but also being mindful that others may not subscribe to my taste. Oddly life seems to work in the same way. The DPC membership is incredibly diverse and rather than focusing on the bad, consider a focus on the good and you may rediscover why you are here in the first place. After all, this is about our love for photography and sharing that with a broad spectrum of people who share a common interest. isn't it?
Okay......time for a group hug. |
Well said, I feel warm & fuzzy just reading your comment;)
I feel much the same way. I find it hard to take comments from people I don't know and will probably never meet too seriously.
Eat the meat and leave the bones and someone once said.
BY the way Ivo, I enjoy a bit of fishing myself, but it is spear fishing, not fly fishing. |
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11/19/2004 04:07:58 AM · #30 |
Wow. Adam...............thanks for sharing your distaste for all of us pee-ons and the way we communicate. You may have chosen to quietly withdraw into the DPC shadows and become nothing more than a faint memory. Instead, you have broadcasted that you will expose the ongoing scandal that is so blatantly evident on this site. Yes, this is a conspiracy to overthrow the overly educated photographers of the world and replace them with an army of ill spoken and ill mannered novices. Get a grip or a hug.
Whew.............Grog much happier now. |
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11/19/2004 04:22:55 AM · #31 |
Adam, I seldom post to this type of discussion, you mention one- upmanship on the site, you have a list of cameras in your profile page that anyone would be envious of, you quote a cv like something out of whos who, come on who is showing one upmanship here? it looks like you are practicing double standards here, in my opinion of course,
Regards,
Paul.
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11/19/2004 04:32:17 AM · #32 |
| I gotta say, I've been there too. I've been pretty upset by stuff and people here in the past, and have wanted to leave because of it. As has been said in this thread, we all get upset, and look back on some of our comments with a little embarassment and a little regret. However, there are an amazing number of people here who are ready to jump on anybody showing any emotional weakness in an effort to show the world how brilliantly mature and above everything they are. I think people need to show a lot more tolerance, and it's easy to become emotional over something that means a lot to you, like this community and website. If you can't understand why someone is so heated about a subject, cut them some slack and don't inflame the situation by mocking them. Sheesh! As a result of my past experiences here, I REALLY still try not to care too much about what happens here, which as far as I'm concerned is this community's loss. I would imagine plenty of other people must be feeling the same way. |
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11/19/2004 04:40:36 AM · #33 |
I wasn't going to chime in on this either, but with peecee saying as much, I figured I may as well.
Adam.. I just can't see how you can profess to be so upset about one-upmanship, and how people "speak utter rejection for any idea that is not there own", and then have the gall to bring up your credentials, say that the only positive experience you have here is people telling you that you've helped them -- which sounds an awful lot like rejection of any ideas that aren't your own to me -- and walk off in a drama queen type of huff.
I mean, please.. threatening to write an article about DPC for the news wires? What the heck is that all about? If you're so "educated", you have to know that there's a vocally negative minority in *ANY* collective group of people that gather, and DPC is hardly above this. You may be an educated professional, but that doesn't automatically give you the right to deride the people on this site by throwing them in with the few dozen people that you are so upset about. Photography, as with any other art, is subjective. People either like what you do, or they don't, and this is reflected in the MAJORITY of commenting that I read on this site. It's ludicrous at best to suggest that *MOST* of us here are out for each other's blood.
I do hope that you find more success or happiness wherever it is you go. Write your article(s), for all the good they'll do anyone. DPC is a large, and growing, entity, and it'll go through all the pains and difficulties that any group or website does. It'll either survive them, or it won't. However, there are hundreds.. if not thousands.. of us here on DPC that won't miss people like you. People that miss the point entirely. People that forget to have fun, to make the most of it, and to just get around all the negativity. It's people like us that'll continue to submit to the challenges we want to.. to learn from the people we admire.. and to hopefully teach, in passing, those that admire us.
Good luck finding what you're looking for Adam. I'm sorry that it wasn't here.
Message edited by author 2004-11-19 04:42:23.
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11/19/2004 04:52:07 AM · #34 |
It is this kind of response Adam is talking about ... everyone here acts like they've just had six cups of Peet's Coffee.
Compare to my response in the other thread.
Please note that if he hadn't listed his background and CV, everyone would still jump on him with a comment of the "who the f*** are you to ..." genre.
We are a diffuse community -- hardly anyone actually "knows" anyone -- giving some biographical background as a preface to a statement is not the same as one-upsmanship. |
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11/19/2004 05:02:59 AM · #35 |
Every day there's some sort of controversy in the forums. Everyday people get annoyed and threaten to leave. Everyday someone whines about how bad a comment was, or how they thought their shot should have done better.
Yet DPC still continues to exist.
Makes you wonder, eh?
I've been here for about two years now and I can give the following advice: The easiest way to not get annoyed is to not read the forums.
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11/19/2004 05:03:51 AM · #36 |
| I agree that there is nothing wrong with offering some biographical background as a preface to a statement but when there is no clear statement made to support the preface, then it equates to nothing more than an arrogant gripe. |
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11/19/2004 05:05:12 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by mbardeen:
I've been here for about two years now and I can give the following advice: The easiest way to not get annoyed is to not read the forums. |
A few of us don't really have that option : ( |
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11/19/2004 05:09:06 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mbardeen:
I've been here for about two years now and I can give the following advice: The easiest way to not get annoyed is to not read the forums. |
A few of us don't really have that option : ( |
I suppose that's the price you pay for having that really cool user icon and having your name listed at the top of the photographer profiles page. :-/
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11/19/2004 05:15:49 AM · #39 |
I think you should stay. All that seemed to happen is that in that thread you called someone who PMed you a spammer, and you were 'told off' for calling him the wrong name.
Well technically you were right, through Email, spam is the bulk sending of crap messages yes, but on forums, spam is often constituted as anything inappropriate, deliberately offensive, off topic, harrassment, trolling, flaming and other rule breaking posts.
To be honest I completely agree with the point you were trying to make and the way you presented your argument. |
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11/19/2004 05:16:46 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It is this kind of response Adam is talking about ... everyone here acts like they've just had six cups of Peet's Coffee.
Compare to my response in the other thread.
Please note that if he hadn't listed his background and CV, everyone would still jump on him with a comment of the "who the f*** are you to ..." genre.
We are a diffuse community -- hardly anyone actually "knows" anyone -- giving some biographical background as a preface to a statement is not the same as one-upsmanship. |
You see it that way, I see it differently. Giving his background in a statement such as the one he made, to me, is the same as saying, "Look, I'm a big boy, and you're all not. I'm taking my toys and going elsewhere."
If you don't see it that way, that's ok too. I'm just tired of such a negative minority causing the majority of the negativity :)
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11/19/2004 05:24:39 AM · #41 |
DAMN!!!! I been gone 2 days and when i come back the house is a mess..
well you can all put your toys away and go home you naughty naughty group of people you.
Seriously though . this is the internet, members, communities, it dont matter a flying f*rt, someone will always upset someone else and lah de la di doo etc etc my lens is bigger than your lens bullshit when we all know that the REAL issue here is ......
Life is too short to fight all day. pick yaself up, dust it off, and lets crack on with the art of great photography, that is why we are all here because we are all artists who appreciate good art right?.. righty right right? or am I right?
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11/19/2004 05:26:48 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by alionic:
DAMN!!!! I been gone 2 days and when i come back the house is a mess..
well you can all put your toys away and go home you naughty naughty group of people you.
Seriously though . this is the internet, members, communities, it dont matter a flying f*rt, someone will always upset someone else and lah de la di doo etc etc my lens is bigger than your lens bullshit when we all know that the REAL issue here is ......
Life is too short to fight all day. pick yaself up, dust it off, and lets crack on with the art of great photography, that is why we are all here because we are all artists who appreciate good art right?.. righty right right? or am I right? |
quite right. I shall do my best.
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11/19/2004 06:33:34 AM · #43 |
to change the subject completely and perhaps kill the thread
am i seeing things or is 'per·ma·nent ly' spelt wrong?
as in To permenantly display posts in this order
Message edited by author 2004-11-19 06:35:44.
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11/19/2004 06:36:43 AM · #44 |
Now THAT is funny.
And soooooo well timed! |
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11/19/2004 06:36:49 AM · #45 |
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11/19/2004 06:43:41 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by ajschmidt:
In writing this I have decided to not involve myself in this site |
I can't see any of this 'long and detailed and educated' advice in a quick browse of your comments. Quite a few that simply say 'FOCUS' (your capitals). One or two with observations about the locations or phenomena in a shot, but really very little photographic advice. another whole heap from the framing challenge which all say 'Try framing a subject next time'. A number that simply say 'no vanishing point' on the vanishing point challenge (even on photos that clearly do use that element).
you'll be missed, i'm sure
Ed
PS. Also posted this in the Rant forum, as your original was posted there. I do so because I find it very annoying when people come over all righteous about their own wonderful attitudes, when in fact (and no not just in my opinion), in fact they are blunt, rude and dismissive. |
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11/19/2004 07:33:03 AM · #47 |
I have to say, I've been on this site for quite a while and I've never had someone abuse me on the forums, nor have I received any complaints from other about being overly harsh. I regularly see people walking around with gas soaked shirts hoping to stand next to someone smoking a cigarette though...
At any rate, since ajschmidt made such a big deal about his academic prowess, I felt that he'd probably have some pretty interesting critiques. The threads I read regarding some of his AP experience were fascinating, but the critiques really were not anything like the lengthy dialects he implied. Here are some extracts I found key. There were many more, but I stopped after a few pages.
Great F***ing job. I love it. Perfect execution. I just realized that the eye chart is on the glass and you flipped the image. Oh, nice one. 3rd 10 from me out of 4 10s given.
Ummm... solerize never dose well... looks like your going bottom fishing.
I hate to tell you but this is not a ECU... i was all ways the kid on the right. Oh, ps your frame is illegal under basic rules.
Oh so close on the focus... your off by less than 2mm. 4.
I'm always sorry to hear someone is leaving this community, especially when their experiences can add unique value to the community. But I'm sure DPC will continue just as it always has.
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11/19/2004 08:35:15 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by goodman:
to change the subject completely and perhaps kill the thread
am i seeing things or is 'per·ma·nent ly' spelt wrong?
as in To permenantly display posts in this order |
You're right!
Threads will be shown in descending order for the remainder of this session. To permenantly display posts in this order, adjust your preferences.
Good spot, hehe
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11/19/2004 08:44:17 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by goodman:
to change the subject completely and perhaps kill the thread
am i seeing things or is 'per·ma·nent ly' spelt wrong?
as in To permenantly display posts in this order |
You're right!
Threads will be shown in descending order for the remainder of this session. To permenantly display posts in this order, adjust your preferences.
Good spot, hehe |
Since we're on the topic of spelling errors on this site, when entering keywords for portfolio and print entries the text says to 'seperate' keywords with commas. It should read 'separate'.
edited: spelling
Message edited by author 2004-11-20 13:01:48.
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11/19/2004 09:21:38 AM · #50 |
I have seven PHD's, I work for national geographic and vogue, and have been shooting for over sixty years. My mother was the queen of england. I have an IQ of 6000 and recently taught my dog to yoddle. I can lie about what ever I wan't online. You usualy don't need to prove you credintials and no one usualy cares. People join DPC to enjoy other people pictures and to share there own. I feel a little backgound is sometimes usefull in understanding an idividuals veiw point in a photo. I don't see how having a PHD will make you a good photographer. Photgraphy is a form of art. Art is always a matter of perception and personall taste. No piece of art will exsist without at least one negative critisism. DPC is a place designed for that pupose in my eyes. To learn obout your art through the eyes and opinions of others. (hmm im a pretty bad speller for having seven phd's) :)
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