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Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/17/2004 11:31:48 AM · #1

I see a lot of wonderful pitures on this sight and I have seen people show their pictures before editing. The picture was still good but after the editing it was great. That is fine for people who are good in photoshop or have a good editing program. I would like to see the picture straight from the camera with the only editing allowed being white balance correction. It could be for any challenge

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Gil P

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

11/17/2004 11:36:56 AM · #2

If you want a straight from camera challenge, why would you accept WB work?

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/17/2004 11:40:34 AM · #3

I thought that it would be different. It is nice to be able to alter a picture to make it exactly what you wnat, but I thought no editing would be different also. Maybe not.

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

11/17/2004 11:41:33 AM · #4

I know we just had a new challenge putten up but wy not a pure camera challenge every week? that would be just great. The photographer and his camera showing there potecnial and creativity and not photoshop creativity. i know it might be dificult for this to happen now but it would be nice.

coolhar

11/17/2004 11:49:12 AM · #5

Do you consider rotating as editing? And how about cropping?

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Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/17/2004 11:50:57 AM · #6

I think that would be legal. but nothing to change in the photo itself like the colors,wb, bla bla bla... just crop, rotate and much less than that.

BobsterLobster

Fujifilm FinePix S3 Pro

11/17/2004 11:53:57 AM · #7

I would imagine that most of the good photographers here would not want to spend a lot of time on this challenge for the reason that cameras are best left on settings that would not look good without some tweaking in Photoshop. For example, I leave my camera on minimum sharpening, contrast and saturation, because I prefer to control these settings in PS where the processing power is much greater. Minimum contrast results in a washed out look straight from the camera, and minimum sharpening does not result in that winning look. Minimum saturation can make the photo look a bit dull. I'm not going to change all those settings just for a DPC challenge. The last time we had a no-edit challenge I got really upset at all the photos I took that week that I really loved and REALLY wished I'd taken with my usual settings as I wasn't too fond of the in-camera contrast and sharpening.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/17/2004 11:56:36 AM · #8

Then you would be out of the challenge. Not everyone participates in all the challenges, then you would have the other challenges if you your not fond of this kind of challenge. with no offend.

Prof_Fate

11/17/2004 12:04:58 PM · #9

Some editing is necessay, depending upon your definition of editing...i can't submit a 6Mp pic, so resizing will be needed...that affects sharpness. Cropping is editing as i can alter what you the viewer sees versus wht i the photographer saw. How can you not allow cropping? I cannot get a pic as i took it printed at walmart etc, they will crop it to fit 4x6, so cropping has to be allowed. Rotation? again, altering what you see, so it is editing...

If you feel that you cannot edit a pic, then hunt down some websited that show you how, get a book, ask questions here. and then practice. Get GIMP, a freeware editor that is very good i hear.

This site severly restriicts what can be done in a editor -
this is 9 pics stitched and this one is very cool, and atually not too diffcult to do.

But then, I am in favor ot allowing MORE editing...

BobsterLobster

Fujifilm FinePix S3 Pro

11/17/2004 12:21:42 PM · #10

Originally posted by Discraft:

Then you would be out of the challenge. Not everyone participates in all the challenges, then you would have the other challenges if you your not fond of this kind of challenge. with no offend.

No offence taken, but I think you missed my point which is that I would imagine that most of the good photographers here feel the same way. I don't think I'm alone with this opinion. If you look at most of the people who ask for a no-editing challenge, I think you'll find most of them are relative beginners.
Let me know if you think I'm wrong!

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scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/17/2004 12:32:04 PM · #11

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Minimum contrast results in a washed out look straight from the camera, and minimum sharpening does not result in that winning look. Minimum saturation can make the photo look a bit dull.

Hmm- washed out, soft, pastel photos... you should be kicking butt in the Impressionism challenge!

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

11/17/2004 12:38:04 PM · #12

Hey Bobster (or anyone else), this is off the original topic, but:

If you have a pretty much perfect photo but you've left the in-camera settings at 0 (contrast, sat, sharpen) do you always boost all three in editing software?

I always turn off any in-camera tweaking and I'm wondering what your workflow is for these aspects of the photograph once you begin to edit.

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coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

11/17/2004 12:43:08 PM · #13

I understand the points raised in opposition but I support the idea Puma has suggested. It would be one challenge where there would be a bias against the more experienced photo editors, but attractive to the newbies and less experienced photo editors. Maybe it would be even more challenging to those who have become all too comfortable in relying on their editing skills. You could even look at it as a "Let's see who is good with the camera and who needs photoshop to do well" challenge. There has been a lot of emphasis on (or, as some might term it, catering to) the ribboners lately. Wouldn't hurt anyone to let the newbies and less skilled editors have one challenge where they could feel a little more comfortable entering. It's been proposed many times before, maybe now is the time to do it.

Rotate, crop, downsize and sharpen would be the only manipulations allowed.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/17/2004 12:44:58 PM · #14

How about no cropping either. Compose IN THE CAMERA.

scottwilson

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 28mm f/2.8

11/17/2004 12:53:21 PM · #15

I see someone beat me to this but I will add mine in as well.

I would suggest not allowing cropping or rotating. I know that I get into the bad habit of not taking enough care when framing a shot, I will shot just a bit more wide angle then it calls for and figure that I will crop and rotate it later. But of course for most photo I never get around to doing this. I think it would be an interesting challenge if the only editing that could be done would be re-sizing. This would force us to really look at the photo we are getting as we frame it in the view finder.

Just a thought.

joebok

Fujifilm X100F

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED

11/17/2004 12:56:03 PM · #16

I think 90 degree rotation is okay - but nothing else. Just like we were shooting slide film. That would put more emphasis on exposure basics.

aznym

Fujifilm X-T3

Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR

11/17/2004 12:57:50 PM · #17

shoot something, anything.
The longest side should not exceed 640px. File size should not exceed 150k. Image type should be sRGB JPEG.

Thank you, and be creative.

Special Note:
If your camera cannot produce this, you may forget about the challenge.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

11/17/2004 01:03:25 PM · #18

I think we did have a no editing challenge once. Can't think of which one it was. Oh yes, here it is The Past

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

11/17/2004 01:32:05 PM · #19

From the special rule for The Past "you are not allowed to do any post processing what-so-ever. You are allowed to resize".

11/17/2004 01:33:22 PM · #20

Once again i think there should be a weekly challenge for the people how like to show there work or participate in challenges more pure and simple, with almosty and rules(photoshop use) just the basic to but the photo on the site, i think it would be a great ideia. Not one challenge but weekly ones. I'm 7up with that. :)

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/17/2004 01:45:22 PM · #21

I think that rotating a picture would be O.K. if it was not you would have to look at a great picture sideways but cropping would not. The challenge is to take a perfect picture right from the start. As for changing camera settings I know some of the higher end cameras you can put in multiple settings into it so can switch from one to the other.

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Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/17/2004 01:51:50 PM · #22

Thanks hbunch7187 There are some great pictures in that challenge.

grdSavant

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 300mm f/4.0L IS USM

11/17/2004 01:58:31 PM · #23

By publishing an image in its "in camera" state, it seems to me that you are ignoring the past 125 years of photography history (and longer). Post processing has been a significant piece of the art since it began.

Now, low and behold, we have digital cameras and have been graced with 'raw' images from the camera so that nothing is lost that the sensor has seen -- but a raw image is perfectly awful until processed outside the camera. Let's face it boys and girls, there is nothing going on outside the camera during post processing that has not already happened inside the camera for .jpg files. Using unedited .jpg images can be really good for some people who don't want to go to the "trouble" of additional post processing, but except in unusual circumstances, it is generally a kick in the teeth to the tradition of photography. Other than challenges like "The Past," which indeed had some wonderful images, most if not all ribbon winners are post processed in the typical challenge.

hanlomba

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

11/17/2004 03:07:30 PM · #24

I agree with the above statement. The challenge would sort of be like asking Ansel Adams to hand over a negative for exhibition. Now none of us here can claim to be Ansel Adams, but a large part of photography is what happens to an image after the shutter has been pressed. Namely, the printing process. Photoshop may seem like a "cheat" to some, but in reality all it's doing is enabling the digital photographer to do the editing that a traditional photographer would do. There is, of course, the potential to go far beyond traditional techniques with Photoshop, but I think that is pretty much covered between Basic and Advanced categories. Also something to think about: Most high end cameras shoot in color exclusively. So does that mean that these photographers cannot do any black and white shots for the challenge? I understand the reasoning behind the challenge, but why cripple the art form? We should set the bar higher for ourselves and understand our medium. Digital manipulation goes hand in hand with digital photography. Practice, practice, practice.