Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by pointandshoot:
You are continually setting new standards with your creativity. Congratulations on another well deserved ribbon.

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by scalvert:

Originally posted by metatate: Do we really want to discourage efforts like this example from graphicfunk simply because it could be done with a filter in photoshop?

Artwork backgrounds are AT LEAST as controversial (trust me). I only used the technique here because the objects were separate, and I asked the Site Council for opinions to make sure it was OK before I entered. If it had been a single object as in Graphicfunk's entry, I wouldn't have tried it since that would require arbitrary effects within the object. The effect itself isn't even all that heavy since most of the lines were part of the leaf structure and visible in B&W (see the leaves on the left side). You could almost do this with B&W conversion and USM alone. In this case... could I desaturate an individual object in Advanced? Check. Could I apply a filter or texture to an individual object in Advanced? Check. I merely carried that through to more than one object. Heck, I even put a reflector on the right to minimize the shadows on the hand side photographically.

Message edited by author 2007-07-15 01:50:50.

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by ursula:
Many congratulations, quite artistic!

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by tate:
I'm sorry. I love your work and you're arguable the most influential person on this site. That's what makes this image ("luck of the draw") controversial. The entire "magic" here is a result of post processing. Do we really want to discourage efforts like this example from graphicfunk simply because it could be done with a filter in photoshop?

Message edited by author 2007-07-15 01:14:03.

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by scalvert:

Originally posted by hotpasta: looks like some controversy is brewing here already...

Oh, joy. :-/

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by scalvert:

Originally posted by yanko: ...wouldn't the end result change the "typical viewer̢۪s description of the photograph"?

Wouldn't the same be true of a series of objects going from color to B&W? Yet we all know selective desaturation is allowed. You're forgetting the context of the rule you quoted: "...use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer̢۪s description." No objects were moved, removed, or duplicated within the photo.

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by hotpasta:

Originally posted by yanko: So your grandfather was a leprechaun. Who knew? Congrats on your 600th ribbon!

Yep congrats on your 600th ribbon...

looks like some controversy is brewing here already...

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by yanko:

Originally posted by scalvert: Originally posted by metatate: Is that not: "us(ing) distortions to create new effects or radically alter objects" ? Nope. The clovers aren't distorted. No object or sense of motion was created and nothing significant was removed. Selective desaturation is a common technique on entries, and filter effects and textures are common, too (though usually ineffective). More to the point- I did exactly what I would encourage anybody to do if in doubt: submit it to the site council well ahead of time and ask for opinions. ;-)

Those tools are fine but wouldn't the end result change the "typical viewer̢۪s description of the photograph"? In other words, my description of this photo is an illustration becoming real. Would I hold that same description if I saw the original?

Message edited by author 2007-07-15 00:44:21.

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by scalvert:

Originally posted by metatate: Is that not: "us(ing) distortions to create new effects or radically alter objects" ?

Nope. The clovers aren't distorted. No object or sense of motion was created and nothing significant was removed. Selective desaturation is a common technique on entries, and filter effects and textures are common, too (though usually ineffective). More to the point- I did exactly what I would encourage anybody to do if in doubt: submit it to the site council well ahead of time and ask for opinions. ;-)

Luck of the Draw
by scalvert

Comment by yanko:
So your grandfather was a leprechaun. Who knew? Congrats on your 600th ribbon!

ETA: Huh. I guess I was fooled too. I thought it was a printout out re-photographed. I didn't think you could create the illusion of it coming to life after the fact but I guess that's part of the grey area in the rules where it's subjective?

Message edited by author 2007-07-15 00:42:01.