Silence
by heida

Comment by paganini:
Ansel Adams dodge and burn to make teh scene more realistic. I.e. he wouldn't dodge it until the color changse, or to create cloud effects. This is a nice photo but it is approaching digital art.

Originally posted by GoldBerry: Originally posted by Nazgul: Originally posted by djtj1980: How can you consider this a good picture? It isn't a picture at all. You have altered the "picture" so much that it is no longer a picture, it is artwork. I would suggest dropping the camera and picking up a paint brush. Take your artistic talents elsewhere. You are not a photographer in my eyes! Sincerely, djtj1980 and you are? It is great art. I guess we have to look at these examples like Ansel Adams landscape photos. Those photos ARE NOT straight out of his camera, he pioneered darkroom techniques that would be the equivalent of dodging and burning. Because it's done on a computer and not in a lab, does that make it any less legit? That's just an example, I'm actually not on either side of the debate.

Silence
by heida

Comment by tlalonde:
This was the first ten I gave in nearly a year. Nice job.

Silence
by heida

Comment by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by Nazgul: Originally posted by djtj1980: How can you consider this a good picture? It isn't a picture at all. You have altered the "picture" so much that it is no longer a picture, it is artwork. I would suggest dropping the camera and picking up a paint brush. Take your artistic talents elsewhere. You are not a photographer in my eyes! Sincerely, djtj1980 and you are?

It is great art. I guess we have to look at these examples like Ansel Adams landscape photos. Those photos ARE NOT straight out of his camera, he pioneered darkroom techniques that would be the equivalent of dodging and burning. Because it's done on a computer and not in a lab, does that make it any less legit? That's just an example, I'm actually not on either side of the debate.

Message edited by author 2004-07-12 19:40:53.

Silence
by heida

Comment by GoldBerry:
It's a very nice piece of art, but the high amount of editing makes it look more like a painting now. Still, nice work.

Free spirit
by heida

Comment by Tranquil:
I really enjoy the pastel tones on this image. Nice.

Free spirit
by heida

Comment by photom:
YOur shout SHOUTS freedowm very well. Composition is great - model is also doing a nice job for you. The biggest problem is that it seems to be a bit overexposed - and the white border exacerbates it.

Free spirit
by heida

Comment by fredroj:
nice picture....couple of things......a lil more saturation on the shirt and the water. also....Hieda is a great 'Burner' , take a look at ther blue ribbon images, they are great in sky manipulation. try burning the sky a lil. it makes the image a lil more dramatic but in a way also free..i give this image a 7.....(man i hope you are not her)lol

Silence
by heida

Comment by lilnukee:
Heida, this picture is stunning! Two in a row, congratulations.
Vision is the difference between and average photogragher (like me, below average actually) and a real artist. Keep up the good work!

I had said some negative things to djtj, but edited it when I realized how new he was to the site, as my comments were about judging others when you yourself had not put your own work out to be judged. I hope that you get involved in the site and see why the site council(through much debate) decided to allow the members challenges to be post edited in this way. I think it was a good decision, as was the decision to leave the open challenge with the limited editing rules. Now we get to see the whole range of talents of the photograghers on this site, IMHO.
Anyway, enjoy the site, it is really an awesome one!


Message edited by author 2004-07-12 17:51:32.

Silence
by heida

Comment by Otom:

Originally posted by Nazgul: ok djtj1980 show an example how you take a below average photo and turn it in to an excellent one!

The picture that comes to mind is no longer available here at dpc... Only the excellent one is. I'm talking about the June free study vinner.

The Silence picture is more a photo manipulation than a photo in my mind.
And how can a marineblue picture win the color purple challenge?! Parts of the fabric is Purple-ish I admit. Other parts is not(in my eyes on my monitor).
With this level of photo manipulation why not just shoot a grey cloth, select it and tweek it into purple?

If you take this further why not take a photo, turn it into b/w, send it to a graphic artist of choice and let him/her paint it in pretty colors in Photoshop or Painter?

Is this what we want? Is this really in the spirit of this photography contest?

Silence
by heida

Comment by slingshot:
Wow Heida... Great shot Oh and by the way now you know how professional athletes feel when some moron heckels them from the crowd.!!! The really good ones just go about their business as if the jerk wasnt there.

And a special note to djtj. Even if thats the way you feel, why not try observing for a while and learn some things before you make a fool of yourself.