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 06/28/2009 01:10:08 PM · #26
question: Is selective desat allowed in basic? I ask because (and I am not one who votes low based on suspected rule violations) it says this under the basic editing rules "you may" section: "saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed." doesn't that equal no selective desat?
06/28/2009 01:33:49 PM · #27
This tutorial explains how selective desaturation can be accomplished within the Basic Rules.
 06/28/2009 02:21:17 PM · #28
I love selective color desat and I gave your photo an 8. If I suspect an image has a rule violation, I just don't vote on it.
 06/28/2009 02:22:38 PM · #29
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This tutorial explains how selective desaturation can be accomplished within the Basic Rules.


Yep, that's how I do it. Great tutorial.
 06/28/2009 02:33:16 PM · #30
Originally posted by Jdroullard:
question: Is selective desat allowed in basic? I ask because (and I am not one who votes low based on suspected rule violations) it says this under the basic editing rules "you may" section: "saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed." doesn't that equal no selective desat?


For the purposes of basic editing, a "selection" is pretty much defined as using one tool or another to draw a bounding box or shape, so that everything within the lines is acted on by the next action and nothing outside box/shape is affected. For example, if I had a red bird on a branch against a blue sky and selected for the bird, then increased the contrast on the bird only, that would not be legal.

However, adjustment tools/layers like "hue/saturation" and the unfortunately-named "selective color" are legal in basic, as long as you apply them to an image in which you have not physically made a selection. So, for example, if the bird is red, and it's the only thing that's red in the picture, you can easily get "selective desaturation" legally by using the hue/saturation tool to desaturate every channel except red (and maybe yellow). That's how it's done, basically.

You can also use the "selective color" adjustment very creatively to change the values of any color, and of the bright, neutral, and dark tones independently of each other; this means, for example, that you can sometimes use selective color adjustments to "burn in" a blue sky that's alittle too bright for your tastes, and that would be legal, and you can use the same adjustment to ADD color to a blown-out sky, though it's hard to do this realistically.

This kind of stuff is basically why I've always opined that "basic editing" actually benefits those with MORE photoshop skills, cuz these people can find legal ways to attain desired results, whereas so-called "advanced" editing actually allows EVERYONE to make use of Photoshop's very well-thought-out shortcuts to the same results, and this is usually a lot easier. As a rule I spend a LOT more time editing an image in basic than I do in advanced.

R.
 06/28/2009 02:58:22 PM · #31
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This kind of stuff is basically why I've always opined that "basic editing" actually benefits those with MORE photoshop skills

Agreed, but it also encourages us to learn how to get it right in the camera.
 06/28/2009 03:10:38 PM · #32
Some cameras allow taking selective desat snap from camera itself , is it valid in basic ?

Message edited by author 2009-06-28 15:11:22.
 06/28/2009 04:26:52 PM · #33
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This kind of stuff is basically why I've always opined that "basic editing" actually benefits those with MORE photoshop skills

Agreed, but it also encourages us to learn how to get it right in the camera.


I'm not sure exactly what you mean by getting it right in camera. There are some things you can't achieve in-camera and there are some thing you can't do effectively in post so depending on what you're trying to achieve the right way could be either method. What basic editing does is limit choice. How you handle that will be different from person to person. Some may become more resourceful by using new in-camera technique or as Bear pointed out become more resourceful in their editing.
06/28/2009 04:38:31 PM · #34
Originally posted by kirbic:
I think you got a fair scoring, and looking at the distribution of scores, you got jsut as many scores on the high side of your average as on the low side. It doesn't look at all to me like you drew low votes... at least other than generally lower on average than you expected, but I regularly experience that as well ;-)


Nobody (not nobody) ever complains about the high scores so let's not confuse things by bringing them up....:P
 06/28/2009 06:15:04 PM · #35
Originally posted by yanko:
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by getting it right in camera. There are some things you can't achieve in-camera and there are some thing you can't do effectively in post so depending on what you're trying to achieve the right way could be either method.

Also true. Let me put it a different way. Have you heard the acronym GIGO? Garbage In, Garbage Out.
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