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Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

07/08/2015 03:43:48 PM · #26

Originally posted by Dudski:

Do the advanced rules apply to each of the 2 photos that are to be used? For example can each of the 2 be a focus-stack of multiple images?

Yes.

JakeKurdsjuk

Canon EOS R5

07/08/2015 04:08:44 PM · #27

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Dudski:
Do the advanced rules apply to each of the 2 photos that are to be used? For example can each of the 2 be a focus-stack of multiple images?

Yes.

Would the 10 images per image then be increased to a total of 20, or is it applied across all captures?

asij

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

07/08/2015 04:13:54 PM · #28

Wow! This is a brilliant challenge... Let the brainstorm begin

klkitchens

Pentax K-1

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

07/08/2015 07:35:57 PM · #29

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
. . . Parts of one image may overlap the other"

So we can go as far as Art's ear pulling diptych IOW an out-of-bounds type thing? That seems like a lot of Expert to me.

Survey says?

07/08/2015 09:45:49 PM · #30

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Dudski:
Do the advanced rules apply to each of the 2 photos that are to be used? For example can each of the 2 be a focus-stack of multiple images?

Yes.

Would the 10 images per image then be increased to a total of 20, or is it applied across all captures?

Each separate image may be an HDRI or Focus Stack of up to 10 exposures.

07/08/2015 09:48:55 PM · #31

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
. . . Parts of one image may overlap the other"

So we can go as far as Art's ear pulling diptych IOW an out-of-bounds type thing? That seems like a lot of Expert to me.

Survey says?

In principle, this s a legal shot for this challenge; that is to say, Art's arm projecting from one frame to the next is not a problem. The bit where he's tweaking his own ear is problematical, there's prpobably expert editing involved. The text in both frames is definitely not legal.

07/09/2015 10:06:07 PM · #32

Originally posted by RyanW:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by pearlseyes:
Before I shoot for this challenge, can someone explain to me how to do this in photoshop?

1. Take two images and process them separately to what you want them to be, more or less.
2. flatten each image so they're only one layer each. Save as a different file name.
3. Increase the canvas size on the first one so it's big enough to hold both.
4. Copy the second one (select all, then copy) and paste it on the first one.
5. use the 4-headed arrow tool to drag the images around and relate to each other the way you want them to.

That's it in a nutshell. The image that moves will be the image on whichever layer is active in the layers palette. You can resize images in either layer with image>transform>scale...

is selective masking allowed on one or both images for overlap purposes?

~~I am having issues with #3.. How do you increase it? Do you increase it by the image, image size or do you have to be specific with numbers when you start a new canvas?~~ DUHHHH having a brain fart... I figured it out LOOL

Message edited by author 2015-07-09 22:08:24.

mefnj

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/12/2015 02:19:54 PM · #33

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
. . . Parts of one image may overlap the other"

So we can go as far as Art's ear pulling diptych IOW an out-of-bounds type thing? That seems like a lot of Expert to me.

Survey says?

In principle, this s a legal shot for this challenge; that is to say, Art's arm projecting from one frame to the next is not a problem. The bit where he's tweaking his own ear is problematical, there's prpobably expert editing involved. The text in both frames is definitely not legal.

ok, just a little more clarification on this

"Parts of one image may overlap the other"

the overlap in the Art example was a single arm crossing the divide

can the overlap be more diffuse or irregular, like to better blend the key portions of the two photos? as someone asked above about masking, i am sure that is how Art did it and you said it was likely OK for this challenge because of the extra rule.

so a mask need not be so so sharp and distinct as the Art example, and the "overlap" could be "fuzzy, correct?

p.s. i know the example website seemed to have clearly visible breaks between the photos, mostly due to slight variations in the background. so I am a little confused as to why the extra rule had this overlap aspect that muddies the interpretation, and likely changes the overall gist of the challenge if it was supposed to copy the example website. that being said, the rule is there, so we all wan to avail ourselves of it if we desire, but do not want to generate a lot of DQ's (esp for a DPL challenge)

Message edited by author 2015-07-12 14:24:53.

SEG

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

07/12/2015 06:12:10 PM · #34

All these clarifications on advanced editing and I can't even come up with an idea. This is a challenge that is really testing my creative sides, or lack thereof.

nam

Sony DSLR-A580

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

07/12/2015 06:23:42 PM · #35

Originally posted by SEG:

All these clarifications on advanced editing and I can't even come up with an idea. This is a challenge that is really testing my creative sides, or lack thereof.

Join the club. I hate it.

FromDaRock

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens

07/12/2015 06:48:57 PM · #36

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
. . . Parts of one image may overlap the other"

So we can go as far as Art's ear pulling diptych IOW an out-of-bounds type thing? That seems like a lot of Expert to me.

Survey says?

In principle, this s a legal shot for this challenge; that is to say, Art's arm projecting from one frame to the next is not a problem. The bit where he's tweaking his own ear is problematical, there's prpobably expert editing involved. The text in both frames is definitely not legal.

ok, just a little more clarification on this

"Parts of one image may overlap the other"

the overlap in the Art example was a single arm crossing the divide

can the overlap be more diffuse or irregular, like to better blend the key portions of the two photos? as someone asked above about masking, i am sure that is how Art did it and you said it was likely OK for this challenge because of the extra rule.

so a mask need not be so so sharp and distinct as the Art example, and the "overlap" could be "fuzzy, correct?

p.s. i know the example website seemed to have clearly visible breaks between the photos, mostly due to slight variations in the background. so I am a little confused as to why the extra rule had this overlap aspect that muddies the interpretation, and likely changes the overall gist of the challenge if it was supposed to copy the example website. that being said, the rule is there, so we all wan to avail ourselves of it if we desire, but do not want to generate a lot of DQ's (esp for a DPL challenge)

I agree, I think that was a mistake and it should have simply two photos joined on a straight line. That would have been much more clear and less in the domain of Expert. Too late now though.

07/12/2015 07:31:52 PM · #37

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by SEG:
All these clarifications on advanced editing and I can't even come up with an idea. This is a challenge that is really testing my creative sides, or lack thereof.

Join the club. I hate it.

hahah I am glad I was not the only one feeling like this.. and I rejoined and put myself back in the newbie remedial club..just throw a dunce hat on me and put me in the corner LOL I did have something but was masking things way too much, It is also testing my PS skills which I don't have yet. I am learning a few things though which is awesome.

for DPL this is become very stressful, thought this was a great challenge lol

Message edited by author 2015-07-12 19:34:40.

mefnj

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/12/2015 07:37:56 PM · #38

Originally posted by jgirl57:

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by SEG:
All these clarifications on advanced editing and I can't even come up with an idea. This is a challenge that is really testing my creative sides, or lack thereof.

Join the club. I hate it.

hahah I am glad I was not the only one feeling like this.. and I rejoined and put myself back in the newbie remedial club..just throw a dunce hat on me and put me in the corner LOL I did have something but was masking things way too much, It is also testing my PS skills which I don't have yet. I am learning a few things though which is awesome.

for DPL this is become very stressful, thought this was a great challenge lol

one can never be "masking things way too much" haha ;-)

but it would be nice to know how much is too much, given the extra rule.... SC??

nam

Sony DSLR-A580

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

07/12/2015 07:45:59 PM · #39

Originally posted by jgirl57:

. . .

for DPL this is become very stressful, thought this was a great challenge lol

Nothing to be done about it, we are all stuck with it. But yes, for DPL this really adds a level of stress that takes away the fun.

07/12/2015 07:54:41 PM · #40

That is what I want to know I don't think the rules have really been explained well enough through this... I want to mask the lines where the edges meet plus some to make the photo come together in the new scene... LOL! Otherwise these combined photos look super stupid.. I think its time for a drink. Who wants a drink?? The bar is open!

I also think any DQ should be banned for this challenge due to the non-specific rules LOL!

Message edited by author 2015-07-12 19:57:57.

07/12/2015 07:57:29 PM · #41

Originally posted by mefnj:

one can never be "masking things way too much" haha ;-)

but it would be nice to know how much is too much, given the extra rule.... SC??

hahahaha Right!!! Thats what I thought too

07/12/2015 08:10:49 PM · #42

Originally posted by mefnj:

p.s. i know the example website seemed to have clearly visible breaks between the photos, mostly due to slight variations in the background. so I am a little confused as to why the extra rule had this overlap aspect that muddies the interpretation, and likely changes the overall gist of the challenge if it was supposed to copy the example website.

Because past experience with diptych challenges tells us that people WILL want to do this sort of thing, and because unless we put SOME sort of special rule in forbidding it, it would be legal. So we just clarified that yes, it's legal. The "example website" is just one guy's idea of how to do this stuff. It's not part of the rules in any way.

SEG

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

07/12/2015 08:21:29 PM · #43

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

[quote=mefnj] The "example website" is just one guy's idea of how to do this stuff. It's not part of the rules in any way.

Don't know if this helps or hurts me? I've been racking my brain based off that website. Maybe a re-imagining is in order to get the creative juices flowing.

mefnj

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/12/2015 08:36:32 PM · #44

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:
p.s. i know the example website seemed to have clearly visible breaks between the photos, mostly due to slight variations in the background. so I am a little confused as to why the extra rule had this overlap aspect that muddies the interpretation, and likely changes the overall gist of the challenge if it was supposed to copy the example website.

Because past experience with diptych challenges tells us that people WILL want to do this sort of thing, and because unless we put SOME sort of special rule in forbidding it, it would be legal. So we just clarified that yes, it's legal. The "example website" is just one guy's idea of how to do this stuff. It's not part of the rules in any way.

thanks. i think that clarifies it... now to come up with an idea! ;-)

07/12/2015 09:54:52 PM · #45

Thanks!!! That is what I needed to hear :-))

07/12/2015 11:20:50 PM · #46

Are we allowed to use "auto-blend" in photoshop???

Edit- auto-blend and auto-align layers ???

07/13/2015 12:48:26 AM · #47

Originally posted by jgirl57:

Are we allowed to use "auto-blend" in photoshop???

Edit- auto-blend and auto-align layers ???

You're allowed to do anything in Photoshop that doesn't break the editing rules, which are result-based, not tool-based. Translation: we don't care what tools you use, just don't do anything illegal with them. I doubt you CAN do anything illegal with auto-align, but I'm not really familiar with auto-blend :-)

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

07/13/2015 01:20:29 AM · #48

Thanks!!

tate

Apple iPhone 14 Pro

07/13/2015 11:10:17 AM · #49

Without reading this entire thread, I assume the challenge description covers pretty much the jist?

Maybe next DPL we could repeat this challenge and allow 2 team members to collaborate? Crazy?