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09/24/2004 01:26:07 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
... it'd be nice to have two checkmarks like the poster wrote... 1. Helpful Comment (which automatically checks off the 2nd one: Thanks for your comment. But you can check off 2 without checking off 1. :) What do you think DPC webmasters? |
This is a very good idea. Sometimes I leave longer comments (in the hopes that what goes around comes around) and would like to know whether the photographer finds it useful.
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09/24/2004 01:24:23 PM · #2 |
I mark every comment as helpful -- although I wish there was a rating scale. My reasoning for marking every one is that the photo was successful in making communicating with the individual -- in whatever degree or fashion they received it in -- and they wanted to reply to the communication. Regardless of the content of the comment, that is a success on my part; even if they didn't like it, they were impacted by it. As I progress that may become less and less important -- but I doubt it.
On a similar note, I track the percentage of helpful comments I give. It was up around 80% until I participated in a comment drive and commented on every photo in the 'Color Studio Portrait' challenge. Now it is sitting at 68%. I haven't commented much since then, but not really thought about it much. This thread has me thinking it had more to do with my not leaving many comments since then than I would have thought it did.
I didn't know why it dropped so much, but it did bum me out that I went to the effort to give thoughtful and 'in depth' critiques on every photo and got this as the result. I think I know why they were not received so well now. It has long been stated by many that forcing comments would be bad (the quality of the comments would drop), but I had never thought of a voluntary comment drive as being a matter of leaving compulsary comments. But it is, in order to complete my pledge to comment on every one I had to comment of all of them -- even the ones that had no impact on me at all. That made those comments pretty useless -- both to me and to the one receiving them.
I will be commenting more, but I won't be participating in any more of the 'comment on every image' drives that come up every now and then -- percentage drives might be different though, as I would be choosing which ones to comment on. I think a percentage drive would be more useful anyway; from the standpoint of it being likely to get more participants, if from nothing else.
David
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09/24/2004 01:06:49 PM · #3 |
I mark all comments helpful except when the comment is rude or has nothing to do with my photo. Examples: "I don't know why you would submit this picture", "somehow meet the challenge", and "this is the worst pale and flat beer". The first two were just plain rude IMO. If you don't think I met challenge a simple "didn't meet the challenge" sounds better than what I got. And as far as the beer goes, I have no idea. Haven't had a sip of the stuff since I was about 16, almost 20 years now. I wouldn't know a good beer from a bad one. I just hope they rated according to my photo, not the fact that it was an AB product. But with that kind of comment, it makes you wonder.
Edit: Forgot "this will buy you a month at DPC" because I did mark it as helpful. It made me laugh.
Message edited by author 2004-09-24 13:09:45. |
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09/24/2004 12:39:32 PM · #4 |
As a newbie, I only "mark as helpful" those comments that:
A) Gave me some sort of instruction on how to get better.
B) Told me why they did / didn't like my photo.
C) Asked me for a print... self-gratifying I guess. |
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09/24/2004 12:20:09 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by e301:
Oh - I had seen it, just hadn't marked it.
And congratulations Gordon on your new camera.
E |
Just a wee leg pull Ed.
Incidentally, I haven`t got the camera yet..there`s a little thing called the "Whyte luck" which keeps interfering in my dealings.
The "Citylink" van pulled up outside my house around an hour ago and delivered to my neighbour..I shot out and collared him only to be told he had left my parcel at an hotel by mistake and would have to finish his run then go back and pick it up...so hopefully I might get it about 8 o`clock tonight!!
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09/24/2004 12:14:23 PM · #6 |
| As a newbie I find all comments positive, as others stated in this thread as confidence builders. I also have learned from recieving pm's back on comments I made, that comments impact the photographer. Such as "that's what I was trying to achieve" or "others didn't see that as you did". The short critiques or comments made during challenges are also great to read after voting is done, I always pick up something useful and interesting. The volume of some submissions certainly makes more detailed comments limiting if you try to vote on all. |
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09/24/2004 11:57:45 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
I mark them as helpful mainly to encourage people to comment. |
I do the same!
However, it'd be nice to have two checkmarks like the poster wrote... 1. Helpful Comment (which automatically checks off the 2nd one: Thanks for your comment. But you can check off 2 without checking off 1. :) What do you think DPC webmasters?
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09/24/2004 11:43:53 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by xion:
I find that even the word 'nice' is helpful because it lets me know someone likes my work and that helps my confidence with the next project :) |
Usually I mark thous giving technical or visual critique but I´ll have to agree with above. |
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09/24/2004 11:22:50 AM · #9 |
To me the VAST majority of comments are helpful in some way. The exceptions are rude comments and comments that I simply don't comprehend.
Whilst a detailed critique may be MORE useful to me than a brief comment on how the voter liked or didn't like the image, the brief comments are still useful to me.
Even if a comment doesn't give me specific advice or detailed feedback it always provides me with one valuable thing: the way an individual reacted to my image.
To that extent, I'll often mark comments helpful even when I disagree with their suggestion - they still help me to understand how others see my work.
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09/24/2004 10:54:12 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
Like Eric says, "cool", "sux", "wow", etc. are nothing more than a comment. They are not in any fashion an attempt to critique or provide an insight from a particluar viewer's perception of the content. |
Where does it say that a comment needs be a critique? By supplying your own particular definition of the term 'comment', you effectively limit its meaning. |
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09/24/2004 10:53:41 AM · #11 |
on a related note, I find it interesting how few comments I've received in general.
for eg, so far one of my challenge entries has 176 votes and 1 comment... not too helpful.
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09/24/2004 10:48:01 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
It would likely depend on the topic in question or the title of the company. If it were for "Guns, Ammo, and Mayhem" magazine, yes. If it were for "Liberal Weenies Weekly", no. ;) |
Good point. I guess I was able to find some degree of helpfulness in the comment; where one establishes the threshold for checking the box is arbitrary and subjective. |
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09/24/2004 10:44:29 AM · #13 |
| Exactly. If the comment shows even the hint of trying to be helpful, I'll mark it helpful. Like Eric says, "cool", "sux", "wow", etc. are nothing more than a comment. They are not in any fashion an attempt to critique or provide an insight from a particluar viewer's perception of the content. |
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09/24/2004 10:41:43 AM · #14 |
| It would likely depend on the topic in question or the title of the company. If it were for "Guns, Ammo, and Mayhem" magazine, yes. If it were for "Liberal Weenies Weekly", no. ;) |
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09/24/2004 10:40:53 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
I'll mark most as helpful unless they make an opinion call that is based on the fact that they don't like the subject in the shot.
For example, ericlimon left a comment to my entry on "once in a blue moon" (mine was the blue steel handgun) that simply said "sorry, i hate guns." Didn't mark it helpful 'cause, well, it wasn't. It wasn't a comment to the content of the picture but rather to the subject itself. |
I agree with Rob on this,
the comment i made was not a helpful comment, and does not deserve to be checked as helpful. ( I gave it a 6 though because it was a good shot, I just hate guns) on the same note, If i had commented "wow, cool gun" it shouldn't be marked as helpful either, right?
I also mark almost every comment as helpful. Even the simple ones that say "nice" or "good shot" even though they are not really helpful in critiqueing me. |
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09/24/2004 09:54:23 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
I'll mark most as helpful unless they make an opinion call that is based on the fact that they don't like the subject in the shot.
For example, ericlimon left a comment to my entry on "once in a blue moon" (mine was the blue steel handgun) that simply said "sorry, i hate guns." Didn't mark it helpful 'cause, well, it wasn't. It wasn't a comment to the content of the picture but rather to the subject itself. |
It lets you know that there are some (at least one!) viewers who will not be able to appreciate your compositional or technicals skills, solely because of your choice of subject matter.
If ericlimon were to call you in for an interview as a staff photographer at his company, would you choose to include a bunch of gun images in your portfolio, or perhaps some of equal quality but differing topic? |
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09/24/2004 08:53:01 AM · #17 |
I'll mark most as helpful unless they make an opinion call that is based on the fact that they don't like the subject in the shot.
For example, ericlimon left a comment to my entry on "once in a blue moon" (mine was the blue steel handgun) that simply said "sorry, i hate guns." Didn't mark it helpful 'cause, well, it wasn't. It wasn't a comment to the content of the picture but rather to the subject itself. |
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09/24/2004 08:19:48 AM · #18 |
Oh - I had seen it, just hadn't marked it.
And congratulations Gordon on your new camera.
E
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09/24/2004 08:17:55 AM · #19 |
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09/24/2004 07:17:16 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by e301:
Though I'm sure there are some I've missed. |
Mmmm...."Telephony" springs to mind for some reason. :)
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09/24/2004 06:45:51 AM · #21 |
I am one of those who will often simply write "Nice photo." or some such simply comment, although sometimes I make more indepth comments. But, the simple comments are better than no comments. I figure that telling someone they are doing a good job is fine, without always going into an in depth critique. That is just my way of doing things.
Originally posted by e301:
Originally posted by Koriyama:
On some sites, photographers can rate the comments they've received.
Personally, I rate all comments as helpful, simply because I used to overlook a few and the checkbox keeps me up-to-date. |
Me too - it's more of a 'photographer has read this comment' check box. Though I'm sure there are some I've missed. |
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09/24/2004 06:00:36 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
On some sites, photographers can rate the comments they've received.
Personally, I rate all comments as helpful, simply because I used to overlook a few and the checkbox keeps me up-to-date. |
Me too - it's more of a 'photographer has read this comment' check box. Though I'm sure there are some I've missed.
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09/24/2004 05:53:36 AM · #23 |
On some sites, photographers can rate the comments they've received.
Personally, I rate all comments as helpful, simply because I used to overlook a few and the checkbox keeps me up-to-date. |
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09/24/2004 05:47:24 AM · #24 |
It's just how you appreciate the comments I think. If you like those "nice", "great picture", "good work" comments and comments like that makes you feel good about your photo and your self, then I think it's encouraging and helpful. If you don't like comments like that, then they are propably not helpful for you.
I think most of us appreciate this kind of comments, it's better than not having them. Personally I like them. I think for me, maybe all positive comments are helpful and most of the negative ones also. There are very few comments that I haven't checked as helpful and I hope people that wrote them don't take it personal.
Imho most of the comments are positive. Even comments where people are pointing out some faults in the photos are often more helpful than the others, and you don't have to agree with them all the time. Most of the time, just to have people's reactions to my photos helps me in one way or another.
I think it's just too many people here that don't appreciate when we are trying to give constructive comments and when we're trying to point out some faults or something that can improve their photos. I have seen people that don't check my comments helpful when I am spending my time at their photos trying to point out the faults imo in few lines, trying to be constructive and say something positive at the same time. And for the same photos they check those "great photo"-comments helpful. It would be nice if people would then spend some time, just like me, and explain why they don't check my comments as helpful, that would be helpful again for me to understand why not.
Well maybe I can't complain, more than 80% of my comments have been checked as helpful, and even higher percentage if I would take out my comments on my own photos.
It's just nice to see that comments are appreciated and that is done by checking them as "helpful"
Message edited by author 2004-09-24 05:54:07.
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09/24/2004 04:56:37 AM · #25 |
| I find that even the word 'nice' is helpful because it lets me know someone likes my work and that helps my confidence with the next project :) |
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