Selective DQ 'ing?? - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/21/2010 03:58:01 AM · #1

I Got DQ'd for this

for selective darkening which I did. I agree, hoped to get away with it.

original

but this one is not DQ'd which pisses me off!!

BASIC EDITING: YOU MAY NOT:

-spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels

-use any selection tool, including but not limited to the marquee, lasso, layer masks, quick masks, or any similar tool to select a portion of your image for any reason other than cropping or creating a border.

So can anybody explain why the rules are not equal for everybody?

Thanks

Message edited by author 2010-04-21 04:21:01.

Nuzzer

Canon EOS-7D

04/21/2010 04:01:48 AM · #2

The other shot you quote looks ok to me - what makes you think it broke the rules?

Lonni

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

04/21/2010 04:03:16 AM · #3

Why do you think this one broke the rules?

If it's because of the selective desaturation, this can be achieved with a global hue/saturation adjustment, so is perfectly legal.

What concerns me more is your admission that you broke the rules knowingly and intentionally.

Message edited by author 2010-04-21 04:04:31.

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

04/21/2010 04:06:19 AM · #4

Originally posted by Nuzzer:

The other shot you quote looks ok to me - what makes you think it broke the rules?

selective saturation! No editing is alowed on only part of the image, only on the whole image.

- use any selection tool, including but not limited to the marquee, lasso, layer masks, quick masks, or any similar tool to select a portion of your image for any reason other than cropping or creating a border.
- use ANY editing tool to create new image area, objects or features (such as vignettes, lens flare or motion) that didn�t already exist in your original capture.

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

04/21/2010 04:06:39 AM · #5

Originally posted by Nuzzer:

The other shot you quote looks ok to me - what makes you think it broke the rules?

He's assuming the desat was done by selection.
That's desaturated using the various color channels, which is legal, because everything is uniformly desaturated. If there had been another green object in the frame, it would have remained that color as well. From the sounds of it you applied an effect to a specific part of the image, not the whole thing.

Nuzzer

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/21/2010 04:08:37 AM · #6

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Originally posted by Nuzzer:
The other shot you quote looks ok to me - what makes you think it broke the rules?

He's assuming the desat was done by selection.
That's desaturated using the various color channels, which is legal, because everything is uniformly desaturated. If there had been another green object in the frame, it would have remained that color as well. From the sounds of it you applied an effect to a specific part of the image, not the whole thing.

You can see a green object on the bench.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

04/21/2010 04:13:12 AM · #7

//www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=25

Message edited by author 2010-04-21 04:13:29.

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

04/21/2010 04:22:14 AM · #8

I see that the selective desaturation is OK, but how did the photographer turn all the rest into sepia?

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

04/21/2010 04:23:33 AM · #9

That's also covered in my tutorial :)

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

04/21/2010 04:23:54 AM · #10

Originally posted by h2:

I see that the selective desaturation is OK, but how did the photographer turn all the rest into sepia?

~~Also explained in the tutorial Konador linked.~~
Too slow...

Message edited by author 2010-04-21 04:24:10.

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro

04/21/2010 04:26:04 AM · #11

Originally posted by Konador:

//www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=25

To be honest : I did not know this was allowed and it becomes not clear reading the rules.

Message edited by author 2010-04-21 04:29:43.

RianBotes

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

04/21/2010 04:28:41 AM · #12

This is truly worrying and even more so sad. A person admitting that he knowingly broke the rules (correct me if I am reading your statement wrong) Hoping that he would get away with this, but then has the measure of righteousness to site another photo and in doing so,
1) Question the integrity of that person
2) Questioning not only the councils objectivity but also
3) their competence doing their job

I have great respect for your work and love your images, but somehow it does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

post note - I see your comment of not knowing that it is allowed which is understandable.. I also learnt something new here

Message edited by author 2010-04-21 04:30:46.

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

04/21/2010 04:33:56 AM · #13

Originally posted by Konador:

That's also covered in my tutorial :)

Your tutorial shows, how to tone one color channel in sepia, but not how all except one can be toned.

I tried to reproduce the effect from the green panty image, but wasn't able to achieve such a uniform sepia toning

I don't want to support the OP, I agree with

RianBotes, just want to know how it was done.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

04/21/2010 04:37:59 AM · #14

Originally posted by RianBotes:

Well, maybe you are right, but since I did see many shots in earlier Basic editing challenges being accepted. Like with the green underwear above (where I was of the opinion it violated the rules, where I seem to be wrong) I though selective darkening would alsobe accepted in the same manner.
So yes I took that risk and I got DQ'd and I accept it, as long as the rules apply on the same manner for everybody.

I'm not here that long and I'm learning :-)

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

04/21/2010 04:46:42 AM · #15

If you think this one's tough, wait till double exposure. People will come up with things that you won't believe are done in basic editing, but almost all of them will be.

04/21/2010 04:47:18 AM · #16

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Konador:
That's also covered in my tutorial :)

Your tutorial shows, how to tone one color channel in sepia, but not how all except one can be toned.

I tried to reproduce the effect from the green panty image, but wasn't able to achieve such a uniform sepia toning

I don't want to support the OP, I agree with RianBotes, just want to know how it was done.

Just tone one colour channel, then another one, then another one, until you only have one left

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro

04/21/2010 04:56:55 AM · #17

And please

rianbotes.Don't make it any more dramatic then it is. I thought the rules where interpretated rather flexible and I searched for the edge and found it!

RianBotes

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

04/21/2010 06:16:09 AM · #18

I fail to see how I have aded drama. If rules however are there simply to be tested untill they are broken,(which it is not) or you obtain a better understanding of them, then I can see your point. yet you have acknowledged the contrary..simply because you saw other seemingly breaking the rules which gave you the green light to do the same, sounds like my own 4 year old son screaming foul because everybody else is doing it. (im not saying your are 4 :))

My biggest concern in my own approach to taking part here has been to be sure to adhere to the rules, and to enquire if Im unsure about a rule. Your replies thus far has been one of the best examples of post modernism I have seen to date. Having said that I do hope to see many more entries from you that attracts positive feedback and pleasure to view, rather than threads such as this one, be it that we learnt soemthing new from it. Who says there cant be a positive from the negative :)

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro

04/21/2010 06:32:23 AM · #19

Originally posted by RianBotes:

I darkened some areas in the picure to get the rinkles out of the panties rather then looking for breaking the editing rules.... :-)

RianBotes

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

04/21/2010 06:38:50 AM · #20

LOL

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

04/21/2010 06:54:54 AM · #21

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Konador:
That's also covered in my tutorial :)

Your tutorial shows, how to tone one color channel in sepia, but not how all except one can be toned.

I tried to reproduce the effect from the green panty image, but wasn't able to achieve such a uniform sepia toning

I don't want to support the OP, I agree with RianBotes, just want to know how it was done.

Just tone one colour channel, then another one, then another one, until you only have one left

Sorry, I may be slow, but I still don't get it. My Photoshop CS3 doesn't allow me to tone single color channels to sepia. Change hue and reduce saturation, yes, but the result will never be a uniform sepia look (at least when i try it).

04/21/2010 07:06:23 AM · #22

It will be hard to get the hues matching exactly, shifting them one by one, but it should be possible in most situations with some fiddling.
Another method (although this would still affect the remaining colours slightly) is to reduce the saturation in all-but-one channel and then apply a warming filter or something at the end.

Message edited by author 2010-04-21 07:06:58.

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Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

04/21/2010 08:10:42 AM · #23

Originally posted by pjotre7:

I Got DQ'd for this....for selective darkening which I did. I agree, hoped to get away with it.

Whatever respect I had for you as a photographer, just went out down the toilet.