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01/27/2010 01:03:51 PM · #1 |
How about votes from panel of judges(10 or 20) get half the weight? Panel of judges will be made from renowned photographers from all genres of photography.
For example, say average of all the voters is 5. But the average score given by panel of judges is 7. Than, the final score for that entry will be 6.
Not sure if this is already discussed or suggested. Let's discuss pros and cons.
Message edited by author 2010-01-27 13:08:11. |
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01/27/2010 01:23:40 PM · #2 |
Would not like......it would mean that the opinion of that group of people, and what they like, is considered more than anyone else......and who has the time to commit to this......
It would be interesting to see (maybe as a side Challenge/Event) this be done, but would not want the standard votes affected in any way, or the emphasis on it in any way diminished......
I am not sure why recently there have been so many suggestions regarding voting, and various changes to the voting system. |
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01/27/2010 01:28:54 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
Would not like......it would mean that the opinion of that group of people, and what they like, is considered more than anyone else......and who has the time to commit to this......
It would be interesting to see (maybe as a side Challenge/Event) this be done, but would not want the standard votes affected in any way, or the emphasis on it in any way diminished......
I am not sure why recently there have been so many suggestions regarding voting, and various changes to the voting system. |
I agree with you Kaiser and i think that recently there have been so many suggestion regarding votig because there are too much people that vote too low scores without comment that explain the choice and, maybe, to have more possibility to growth your position. (sorry for he english)... |
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01/27/2010 01:34:52 PM · #4 |
I'm sorry to say so, but honestly I can't see anything positive about this approach. It tries to combine a "juried" approach with popular opinion, in a very arbitrary way. The two will inevitably be in conflict, and I don't see at all how this would improve on the current system.
In today's system, images with "broad appeal" tend to excel; "broad appeal" is defined as appealing to a range of voters from inexperienced to very experienced. Although experienced voters often complain that this leads to winning images that fall into the "eye candy" category, with some technically and artistically excellent photos receiving only moderately high scores, what of it? If the image does not speak to a broad range of audience, does not clearly demonstrate its tie to the challenge topic, then it in fact does fail to some degree, no matter how good it is taken out of the challenge context.
I submit that there is little or nothing wrong with the current voting system. Perhaps the only area where we need continued vigilance is in the area of voting manipulation. I believe that DPC is perhaps the top internet photo contest site with respect to voting fairness. The attention it has gotten and continues to get, is second to none. Still, there is probably room for some tweaks to get rid of some of the few malignant voters we do have. |
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01/27/2010 01:35:08 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by DigiFotoBuddy:
Panel of judges ...
Not sure if this is already discussed or suggested. Let's discuss pros and cons. |
Yup, discussed many times as well. |
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01/27/2010 01:41:15 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
Would not like......it would mean that the opinion of that group of people, and what they like, is considered more than anyone else |
The voters opinion already means more than mine. What's up with that? :) |
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01/27/2010 02:05:56 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by GiorgioBaruffi:
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
Would not like......it would mean that the opinion of that group of people, and what they like, is considered more than anyone else......and who has the time to commit to this......
It would be interesting to see (maybe as a side Challenge/Event) this be done, but would not want the standard votes affected in any way, or the emphasis on it in any way diminished......
I am not sure why recently there have been so many suggestions regarding voting, and various changes to the voting system. |
I agree with you Kaiser and i think that recently there have been so many suggestion regarding votig because there are too much people that vote too low scores without comment that explain the choice and, maybe, to have more possibility to growth your position. (sorry for he english)... |
Don't apologise - you're making a huge effort and doing very well. |
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01/27/2010 02:13:04 PM · #8 |
We see suggestions for new voting strategies all the time, but I honestly don't see why any change is needed. When I see the winners each week, I don't think there's any doubt that the best shots win, and the worst shots are at the bottom of the pack. If I started seeing brown ribbon quality photos at the top of the stack, or vice versa, then we'd start to wonder what the problem is with the voting system. No such problem exists.
Ain't broken... don't need fixin'... |
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01/27/2010 02:25:00 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
We see suggestions for new voting strategies all the time, but I honestly don't see why any change is needed. When I see the winners each week, I don't think there's any doubt that the best shots win, and the worst shots are at the bottom of the pack. If I started seeing brown ribbon quality photos at the top of the stack, or vice versa, then we'd start to wonder what the problem is with the voting system. No such problem exists.
Ain't broken... don't need fixin'... |
Well, that is very subjective, IMO the best images are rarely on the front page :) |
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01/27/2010 02:30:08 PM · #10 |
Maybe we could just track personal voting history, and make it public information.
Accountability breeds responsibility. |
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01/27/2010 02:32:32 PM · #11 |
| I don't think the voting system needs changing but people who consistently give 1's and 2's to boost their own scores should be outed, name and shame them. It is clear that all the stats are available, I understand there are some who think they are of such a standard that they only vote 1, 2 or 3 but it is very demoralising, not to say frustrating, to receive such a low score without the voter doing you the courtesey of telling you why they think your picture is crap. |
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01/27/2010 02:32:49 PM · #12 |
Personally, I don't have any problem with the current voting system. As Alan mentioned, (most of the time) , best shots end up on top and worst end up at the bottom. But still we see so many dissatisfied users complaining about their own score and at times complaining about high score for someone else's entry(which they think it doesn't deserve).
I just wanted to toss an idea of Panel of judges. I apologize for the redundant discussion. I post this as I couldn't find any older thread on this.
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01/27/2010 02:33:48 PM · #13 |
An experimental, grass-roots juried challenge is underway now, as a matter of fact. A panel of jurors has been put together for the Best of 2009 challenge, photographers have signed up to indicate their willingness to be "judged", and awards will be given out in several categories based on the results of discussion/voting amongst the jurors. This is entirely a member initiative, by the way, not official to DPC in any way.
It will be interesting to see how that works out :-)
R. |
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01/27/2010 02:34:31 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
An experimental, grass-roots juried challenge is underway now, as a matter of fact. A panel of jurors has been put together for the Best of 2009 challenge, photographers have signed up to indicate their willingness to be "judged", and awards will be given out in several categories based on the results of discussion/voting amongst the jurors. This is entirely a member initiative, by the way, not official to DPC in any way.
It will be interesting to see how that works out :-)
R. |
I'm very excited about this you know.. |
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01/27/2010 02:38:30 PM · #15 |
| Can I sign up? If so how and where? |
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01/27/2010 02:41:32 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
... photographers have signed up to indicate their willingness to be "judged"... |
I'm signing. |
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01/27/2010 02:44:17 PM · #17 |
Yep, it is subjective. Voting is indeed subjective, and at the end of the week, we see the combined results of the voters' subjectivity. That's the nature of the site, and it works.
Oftentimes many of us (myself included) think that our own shots should have done much better... And a lot of really questionable singers believe that they should make it through to the Hollywood round of American Idol, too :)
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Well, that is very subjective, IMO the best images are rarely on the front page :) |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
We see suggestions for new voting strategies all the time, but I honestly don't see why any change is needed. When I see the winners each week, I don't think there's any doubt that the best shots win, and the worst shots are at the bottom of the pack. If I started seeing brown ribbon quality photos at the top of the stack, or vice versa, then we'd start to wonder what the problem is with the voting system. No such problem exists.
Ain't broken... don't need fixin'... |
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01/27/2010 02:46:22 PM · #18 |
making the exact break down of how someone votes in challenges public sounds like an extremely big brother-esque thing to do. Vote Well Citizen, WE ARE WATCHING. The troll witch hunts are already bothersome enough and you can already see the average vote a person gives.
this isn't 1984, guys.
/tongue in cheek, of course ;) |
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01/27/2010 02:54:00 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Oftentimes many of us (myself included) think that our own shots should have done much better... And a lot of really questionable singers believe that they should make it through to the Hollywood round of American Idol, too :)
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Let me get this?????? Does DPChallenge have anything to do with American Idol??????? If so, how do I get my membership money back??? |
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01/27/2010 04:11:52 PM · #20 |
Every vote you cast here ignites an electrode on Simon Cowell's forehead, prompting him to approve or disapprove of various singers.
Originally posted by Basta:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Oftentimes many of us (myself included) think that our own shots should have done much better... And a lot of really questionable singers believe that they should make it through to the Hollywood round of American Idol, too :)
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Let me get this?????? Does DPChallenge have anything to do with American Idol??????? If so, how do I get my membership money back??? |
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01/27/2010 04:19:48 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
An experimental, grass-roots juried challenge is underway now, as a matter of fact. A panel of jurors has been put together for the Best of 2009 challenge, photographers have signed up to indicate their willingness to be "judged", and awards will be given out in several categories based on the results of discussion/voting amongst the jurors. This is entirely a member initiative, by the way, not official to DPC in any way. |
Is it too late to sign up to be judged? Have I already signed up? This could be cool, unless I end up at the bottom of the heap, in which case "grass roots" becomes "ass roots", as in where the judges have their heads. |
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01/28/2010 02:43:45 AM · #22 |
No, you misunderstand me. You as a member of SC said that you can see nothing wrong because the best pictures are winning the ribbons. If I apply that argument then I as a (hypothetical) SC member would be saying - hang on something's wrong with this voting system, the best pictures aren't winning!
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Yep, it is subjective. Voting is indeed subjective, and at the end of the week, we see the combined results of the voters' subjectivity. That's the nature of the site, and it works.
Oftentimes many of us (myself included) think that our own shots should have done much better... And a lot of really questionable singers believe that they should make it through to the Hollywood round of American Idol, too :)
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Well, that is very subjective, IMO the best images are rarely on the front page :) |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
We see suggestions for new voting strategies all the time, but I honestly don't see why any change is needed. When I see the winners each week, I don't think there's any doubt that the best shots win, and the worst shots are at the bottom of the pack. If I started seeing brown ribbon quality photos at the top of the stack, or vice versa, then we'd start to wonder what the problem is with the voting system. No such problem exists.
Ain't broken... don't need fixin'... |
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01/28/2010 07:53:55 AM · #23 |
From my perspective, voters have been getting tougher. Of my recent shots, several have started below 4. Before about two months ago, I think I only had 3 or 4 sub-4 starts in a couple of years. Also, shots are seeming to end up scoring about .5 below what they used to. Now, hopefully this does not mean I'm getting worse (although that is a possibility!)
For example, my Graffiti shot started at 3.89 (Wed morning). It now sits at 4.2637 with 91 votes and zero comments.
When the voting encouraged people to not score 1, 2, or 3 without leaving a comment, I think it boosted scores because I'm guessing there were others like me who, being too lazy to leave a comment, would give a shot a 4. Even now, I seldom score shots less than 4 unless they are truly bad IMHO. |
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01/28/2010 08:00:25 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
We see suggestions for new voting strategies all the time, but I honestly don't see why any change is needed. When I see the winners each week, I don't think there's any doubt that the best shots win, and the worst shots are at the bottom of the pack. If I started seeing brown ribbon quality photos at the top of the stack, or vice versa, then we'd start to wonder what the problem is with the voting system. No such problem exists.
Ain't broken... don't need fixin'... |
Well, that is very subjective, IMO the best images are rarely on the front page :) |
...and that's why you are allowed to vote...to express your opinion, just like everyone else is. All judgement is subjective, and obviously what you consider the best is not in sync with the views of the majority.
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01/28/2010 08:12:52 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Maybe we could just track personal voting history, and make it public information.
Accountability breeds responsibility. |
And just why should I as an individual be accountable to you or anyone else. You have your views and I have mine... and if the two aren't the same, well that is just too bad.
If indeed a process such as that which you are proposing was implemented, I can assure you that my voting days would be rather short lived.
Ray |
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