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07/01/2002 01:17:53 PM · #1 |
Come on! If you are going to leave a comment, and a score of 5, you could at least tell me how to improve it. Or give some indication of why it was only a 5.
If people do not like this pic, I really want to know why. A shot like this is one I would really like to perfect. Was the crop wrong? Color? Lighting?
Are people getting tired of leaving real comments?
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07/01/2002 01:25:15 PM · #2 |
Zeissman--I know you are asking this in a joking way, right? Right? Should I remind you of one of YOUR comments on my picture a couple of weeks ago. "Someone needs a pore cleaning." [On the Road]
How in the heck is that going to help my photography?
Take your five, take your comments, and enjoy them. |
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07/01/2002 02:09:18 PM · #3 |
hee hee hee, That was the joke. I do not mind comments like "Cute kid" or "Freaky" or whatever, but then to tell me what my score was, that really leaves me wanting more.
I left a lot of really stupid comments to "On the Road" but I hope I did not dangle a score in front of anyone without saying why. And I hope I did not offend anyone.
I have a lot of respect for the work of the person that left this comment, and I would sure like to know how he thinks this photo could be improved. I got some good comments on my first picture that I tried to take into account her, and my second (for On the Road), was a throw away. I sat out the last two because I did not have good photos.
And Karma, I am enjoying this. I am not upset. But this a the kind of photography I really like to do, and would like to improve. This is my first time breaking 5, in three challenges, I am very happy.
But I am curisious if people feel they are leaving fewer real critiques. It gets hard with the volume of work.
Originally posted by karmat:
Zeissman--I know you are asking this in a joking way, right? Right? Should I remind you of one of YOUR comments on my picture a couple of weeks ago. "Someone needs a pore cleaning." [On the Road]
How in the heck is that going to help my photography?
Take your five, take your comments, and enjoy them.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/1/2002 2:13:47 PM.
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07/01/2002 02:48:46 PM · #4 |
I am the guilty party on that critique. I will elaborate if I can in private if you wish...
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07/01/2002 03:06:56 PM · #5 |
I know, but I did not want to mention you by name. I would love it if you eloborated. Either here, or by email. I have my link in my profile.
It may be better if you used email so you do not tip anyone off to wish photo it is.
Thanks for being a sport John.
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07/01/2002 03:46:05 PM · #6 |
I will send you a PM via DPC shortly :)
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07/01/2002 03:52:14 PM · #7 |
Zeiss: with the number of submissions it is hard to leave good comments. I think some people may do like I do though -- give an initial vote, then throughout the week go back and adjust with comments. The other thing is that with middle of the road pics, 5's and 6's, there really is not a lot of comments, compared to the lower one (under 3) and the highest ones (over 8).
Congrats on busting 5! |
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07/01/2002 04:09:50 PM · #8 |
Zeiss, You should have email....
Karmat, I think i probably did create some amount of 'pissedoffedness' with Zeiss when I left his comment :)) I didn't mean to but as I go back and look at it, I have felt the same way when I received similar comments. I have learned something today and I will use it to my benefit in the future...
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07/01/2002 04:23:18 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Zeiss, You should have email....
Karmat, I think i probably did create some amount of 'pissedoffedness' with Zeiss when I left his comment :)) I didn't mean to but as I go back and look at it, I have felt the same way when I received similar comments. I have learned something today and I will use it to my benefit in the future...
Great, accept I just figured out I had my email address wrong in my profile. Sorry to cause trouble like this John.
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07/01/2002 04:26:38 PM · #10 |
I sent it via the PM feature... did you not receive it? if not, I can probably redo it for you... i didn't send myself a copy of it but i can still redo it.. :)
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07/01/2002 04:31:36 PM · #11 |
I feel like an idiot.
Doen't PM use the email address you enter? I misspelled Zeiss. I had it zIess.
I would appreciate seeing the comments, or you could edit the comment you left on the photo.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I sent it via the PM feature... did you not receive it? if not, I can probably redo it for you... i didn't send myself a copy of it but i can still redo it.. :)
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07/01/2002 04:48:29 PM · #12 |
Zeiss, I modified the original comment on the photo... I hope this clarifies my vote at least... :)
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07/17/2002 11:24:08 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
Come on! If you are going to leave a comment, and a score of 5, you could at least tell me how to improve it. Or give some indication of why it was only a 5.
If people do not like this pic, I really want to know why. A shot like this is one I would really like to perfect. Was the crop wrong? Color? Lighting?
Are people getting tired of leaving real comments?
At least you got some sort of comment...Someone just now left me the truly helpful comment of "5" for my Free Study entry...gee, thanks.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/17/2002 11:24:59 PM.
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07/17/2002 11:59:38 PM · #14 |
This is odd... Maybe I just make more obvious mistakes but I''ve gotten 15 comments and I''d say 10 to 12 of them have good solid advice or at least said what they didn''t like. Normally it was the same thing and something I put in on purpose, but now I know it didn''t have much mass appeal. There''s a couple of non-comment comments, but they seem the exception, not the rule...
I guess if your not getting useful comments, maybe it because your doing things right :)
btw ~ 5 sounds good :) I''ll take a 5 :)
Qyl
PS ~ I''m still waiting to go a whole week without being told "It would be better in Black & White" :) Problem is, I did Black and White film for soooo long, that I can''t be satisfied with any BW I can ''conjure up'' in Printshop yet. Still trying though :)
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/18/2002 12:01:25 AM. |
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07/18/2002 12:09:06 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
This is odd... Maybe I just make more obvious mistakes but I''ve gotten 15 comments and I''d say 10 to 12 of them have good solid advice or at least said what they didn''t like. Normally it was the same thing and something I put in on purpose, but now I know it didn''t have much mass appeal. There''s a couple of non-comment comments, but they seem the exception, not the rule...
I guess if your not getting useful comments, maybe it because your doing things right :)
btw ~ 5 sounds good :) I''ll take a 5 :)
Qyl
PS ~ I''m still waiting to go a whole week without being told "It would be better in Black & White" :) Problem is, I did Black and White film for soooo long, that I can''t be satisfied with any BW I can ''conjure up'' in Printshop yet. Still trying though :
Better in black and white is purely subjective in most cases... I more often comment that black and white doesn't work as well as color would.. .I LOVE black and white and I do a ton of it, but there is a time and place for it for sure. Some images that are not so hot in color can be awesome in black and white though...
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07/18/2002 01:02:11 AM · #16 |
Greetings all !!!
I have received 12 comments on my image. Most of them are very informative and constructive. I agree with much that is being said and appreciate the feedback. When there are obvious problems such as OOF, incorrect DOF, poor lighting, unappealing cropping, etc. it is easier for people to make technical comments.
What kind of comments can one really make if the image is technically sound but does not have the emotional impact that it should to be a highly scored photograph? I try to remember that most people have an emotional investment in their images so I rarely comment whenever there is a difference in taste on my part.
In your opinions, should technically sound photos be scored highly if the subject is unappealing to the voter?
I have seen so many technically sound images of insects and flowers over the past few weeks... They are all beginning to look the same. I am finding myself rating new subjects that are technically sound higher than good shots of subject matter I have seen many, many times in this and previous challenges. I still appreciate good composition and editing but I seem to appreciate ingenuity more :) Go figure ...
Bob... |
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07/18/2002 01:35:16 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by rls_2002:
Greetings all !!!
I have received 12 comments on my image. Most of them are very informative and constructive. I agree with much that is being said and appreciate the feedback. When there are obvious problems such as OOF, incorrect DOF, poor lighting, unappealing cropping, etc. it is easier for people to make technical comments....In your opinions, should technically sound photos be scored highly if the subject is unappealing to the voter?
I have seen so many technically sound images of insects and flowers over the past few weeks... They are all beginning to look the same. I am finding myself rating new subjects that are technically sound higher than good shots of subject matter I have seen many, many times in this and previous challenges. I still appreciate good composition and editing but I seem to appreciate ingenuity more :) Go figure ...
Bob...
It is completely within your discretion as to how much "weight" to give the "originality" component of your vote. I probably lean the way you do, at least as far as giving "bonus points" to an original or difficult to obtain image, in that I usully cut those more slack on the technical side. But many others here regularly vote up technically excellent photos whether or not they find the subject personally appealing.
BTW: My cute kid is 5, bu I never leav that as a comment...
Paul
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/18/2002 1:35:50 AM.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/18/2002 1:36:58 AM. |
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07/18/2002 07:16:54 AM · #18 |
Wow, I feel very priviledged at this point. I have 21 comments on my photo and most are very helpful. Overall, I have seen more insightful comments being left instead of the "from the hip" smart remarks that were being left on many photos a couple of months ago. There will always be some mean spirited voters, but I think overall our members are doing a great job with the comments.
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07/18/2002 08:43:06 AM · #19 |
I've gotten some silly comments, but hte ones that tell me how to change my lighting for better results, etc. are VERY helpful. That's the kind of comment that really is worth the time to leave it. With 175 photos to score, I didn't leave commetns this week, but then, technically I have so little experience that my comments would be pretty dull.
Do you think the new requirement will increase the number of "nice - 5" comments left? Perhaps we should just be prepared to accept it. |
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