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07/15/2009 05:59:12 PM · #1
Its late here so will post this and run to bed and whilst I'm sure idea has been flogged to death before I thought I'd see what peeps think today.

First off, the current voting system basically works else none of us would be here but one thing does bug me a little and thats the fact that the average score in challenges is usually around 5.5 and we don't have a 5.5 button so I'm pretty sure that many of the (let me say) average images can suffer when its not quite good enough for a 6 so an average image would score a 5 which is actually below the average vote (I think that makes sense?)

Now, I wouldn't expect the voting system to be rewritten to add a 5.5 button (I'm a realist) however, we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp so why not remove the ability to vote a 1 and let a 2 vote become the new 1 leaving 9 possible votes to cast so an average shot would receive a 5 (the median vote). And, whilst we are here I'd also be happy to remove the 10 rather than 1 as in my little world I probably use it less than the 1 button and I might use that once in every 250 votes or so.

My average vote given is 5.3800 and I am trying to improve that and voting with 9 choices I may well give a 5 to an image that is (to me) slightly below average which today I'd vote a 4 etc etc.

I'm off to bed so feel free to discuss :)
07/15/2009 06:01:53 PM · #2
Let's just remove all the votes that aren't 5.

Then everyone can get a 5 and nobody would get any more or any less, and everyone can be equal and happy and run through the field of roses.

The only thing I have to say to people that are disappointed that they don't get average or over is:

Tough shit.
07/15/2009 06:13:12 PM · #3
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Let's just remove all the votes that aren't 5.

Then everyone can get a 5 and nobody would get any more or any less, and everyone can be equal and happy and run through the field of roses.

The only thing I have to say to people that are disappointed that they don't get average or over is:

Tough shit.


how about a binary voting system. 0 or 1... or umm.. well.. how about 9 or 10. then everyone can get a 9.xxx before running through the field of roses. they smell sweeter that way, or so i'm told ;)

sarcasm aside and back to the op, i don't think it's necessary to try to keep your vote given average near the average score possible, just as long as you're consistent during a single challenge. my average given is kind of high, but that's just what works for me and my system of voting. if yours is a little lower, it just means that you have a different system where it's more difficult for a person to get a 6 or above. don't force yourself to give 9s if you don't think they are deserved. this isn't a child's recreational sports league, not everyone has to get a little plastic trophy at the end of the challenge. your voting style is up to you and you can alter it as you see fit, just my opinion. throw me a few of those 9s, eh? ;)
07/15/2009 06:57:16 PM · #4
Try what I do... (me being perfect and all...)

If an image is in focus, it's basically a 5 if it meets the challenge at all.

6 is for a little bit more interesting and having good composition.

7 is for definitely a good image on all counts... but still lacking...

You can go up from there as you wish.

Folks probably don't agree with me about my 5s. But really, no image is going to win with a 5 score... so what's the harm in giving it?

I give the most I can see to give.

Anything OOF is a 4 and lower if it doesn't meet the challenge topic or is grainy or is...
07/15/2009 06:59:52 PM · #5
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp

What?? I love the 1 button. And I can tell you that I use it on more than fish photos.
07/15/2009 07:07:25 PM · #6
people seem to be missing the point. It is interesting that in voting there is no way of saying a photo is completely average. It is either above or below average. It's not a complaint--it's a fact.

Message edited by author 2009-07-15 19:07:46.
07/15/2009 07:11:26 PM · #7
Originally posted by vawendy:

people seem to be missing the point. It is interesting that in voting there is no way of saying a photo is completely average. It is either above or below average. It's not a complaint--it's a fact.


now, why didn't I put it like that Wendy! thanks ;)
07/15/2009 07:20:36 PM · #8
Originally posted by vawendy:

people seem to be missing the point. It is interesting that in voting there is no way of saying a photo is completely average. It is either above or below average. It's not a complaint--it's a fact.


MY point was there was no point in saying it, or bringing it up. Especially in such a manner ;D

All it is these days is 'wah wah wah' so why treat this any different hmmm? heh.
07/15/2009 07:22:01 PM · #9
I think it's a great idea to remove either the 1 or the 10. Wonder how many new dpc'ers have been inadvertently dishing out 1s when they're really trying to type 10 using keyboard voting..... ;)
07/15/2009 07:24:46 PM · #10
Let's put ALL the threads about voting into their own Challenge and vote on them. I give this one a 5.5, but only if you clone out K10DGuy.
07/15/2009 07:28:10 PM · #11
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by vawendy:

people seem to be missing the point. It is interesting that in voting there is no way of saying a photo is completely average. It is either above or below average. It's not a complaint--it's a fact.


MY point was there was no point in saying it, or bringing it up. Especially in such a manner ;D

All it is these days is 'wah wah wah' so why treat this any different hmmm? heh.


I'd like to know why you consider there was no point in me starting this thread and especially the (apparently bad)'manner' that I used. I tried to make a valid and imho logical point about how we can vote an average image an average score so plase tell me where I was going 'wah wah wah'
07/15/2009 07:41:59 PM · #12
Why are we always gravitating towards 5 or 6? Surely on a scale of 1 to 10 you can rate an image. You have 10 different levels of appreciation to choose from, that's quite a bit of subtle differences if you ask me.

Don't think in terms of "this picture is average but dammit I can't give it an average vote", simply think, hmm, on a scale of 1 to 10 where would I place this, that way you don't have to worry about the "dead in the middle average 5.5 vote that you can't give".
07/15/2009 07:57:41 PM · #13
Yeah, why is it so important to give someone an average vote?
07/15/2009 07:59:17 PM · #14
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Originally posted by vawendy:

people seem to be missing the point. It is interesting that in voting there is no way of saying a photo is completely average. It is either above or below average. It's not a complaint--it's a fact.


now, why didn't I put it like that Wendy! thanks ;)


Because I'm prettier, so they'll listen to me :)
07/15/2009 08:01:01 PM · #15
You're not voting the picture average, you're voting your average-to-you reaction to that picture. Whatever that is for you. There is no such thing as an average picture. All the left-brain people, oh dear. My average reaction to a picture is usually a 6.

Challenges Entered: 106
Votes Cast: 20,273
Avg Vote Cast: 5.4226
Votes Received: 18,454
Avg Vote Received: 4.9012
07/15/2009 08:01:12 PM · #16
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Let's put ALL the threads about voting into their own Challenge and vote on them. I give this one a 5.5, but only if you clone out K10DGuy.


Can we do that? Really? It's tempting, but isn't cloning illegal--or is he inconsequential enough that it's legal?
I really couldn't resist :P

Edited to add a missing question mark.

Message edited by author 2009-07-15 20:02:29.
07/15/2009 08:59:37 PM · #17
Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Try what I do... (me being perfect and all...)

If an image is in focus, it's basically a 5 if it meets the challenge at all.

6 is for a little bit more interesting and having good composition.

7 is for definitely a good image on all counts... but still lacking...

You can go up from there as you wish.

Folks probably don't agree with me about my 5s. But really, no image is going to win with a 5 score... so what's the harm in giving it?

I give the most I can see to give.

Anything OOF is a 4 and lower if it doesn't meet the challenge topic or is grainy or is...


That sounds like the way I vote.
07/15/2009 09:10:35 PM · #18
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp

What?? I love the 1 button. And I can tell you that I use it on more than fish photos.


First of all, I always give fish photos a 10, sometimes a 9 if I haven't caught anything in awhile. I am quite serious.

I think the scoring is fine the way it is. With many voters, the scores 'average' themselves anyway. Sure, on the few challenges I've entered I always think I've got a great shot before the voting starts, and when it ends I've been forced to look at my photo more critically than I ever would have. I like the love-fests that are the side challenges... make some good contacts and other fun stuff there. But for a (fairly) accurate public opinion, the regular challenges provide that under the current system. For me, if I like it, it gets a 7-8-9-10. Otherwise it gets a 3-4-5-6 depending on how it makes me feel, and if I think the effort was there. My average score received is 5.15 which is well deserved. I enjoy photography but will only be lucky to reach the front page. Can't get there without more dedication and effort (maybe a little talent too). Just like anything else.

07/15/2009 10:28:48 PM · #19
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

Why are we always gravitating towards 5 or 6? Surely on a scale of 1 to 10 you can rate an image. You have 10 different levels of appreciation to choose from, that's quite a bit of subtle differences if you ask me.

Don't think in terms of "this picture is average but dammit I can't give it an average vote", simply think, hmm, on a scale of 1 to 10 where would I place this, that way you don't have to worry about the "dead in the middle average 5.5 vote that you can't give".

Bravo! Well said.
07/15/2009 10:29:16 PM · #20
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by vawendy:

people seem to be missing the point. It is interesting that in voting there is no way of saying a photo is completely average. It is either above or below average. It's not a complaint--it's a fact.


MY point was there was no point in saying it, or bringing it up. Especially in such a manner ;D

All it is these days is 'wah wah wah' so why treat this any different hmmm? heh.


I'd like to know why you consider there was no point in me starting this thread and especially the (apparently bad)'manner' that I used. I tried to make a valid and imho logical point about how we can vote an average image an average score so plase tell me where I was going 'wah wah wah'


What's valid and logical about worrying about averages? Nothing.

What it sounded like to me was just another thread trying to get people to vote higher or find a way to get average scores higher to make people feel better.

But then, I'm a cynical bastard.
07/15/2009 10:30:49 PM · #21
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Let's put ALL the threads about voting into their own Challenge and vote on them. I give this one a 5.5, but only if you clone out K10DGuy.


You're not the only person around here that wishes I was cloned out :D
07/15/2009 10:33:58 PM · #22
My life story if 5.5, or 5.2 or 5.3...I just hate 5's because of this site ! lol
07/15/2009 11:39:39 PM · #23
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Tough shit.

That will definitely score below average ... :-(
07/16/2009 12:16:03 AM · #24
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Its late here so will post this and run to bed and whilst I'm sure idea has been flogged to death before I thought I'd see what peeps think today.

First off, the current voting system basically works else none of us would be here but one thing does bug me a little and thats the fact that the average score in challenges is usually around 5.5 and we don't have a 5.5 button so I'm pretty sure that many of the (let me say) average images can suffer when its not quite good enough for a 6 so an average image would score a 5 which is actually below the average vote (I think that makes sense?)

Now, I wouldn't expect the voting system to be rewritten to add a 5.5 button (I'm a realist) however, we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp so why not remove the ability to vote a 1 and let a 2 vote become the new 1 leaving 9 possible votes to cast so an average shot would receive a 5 (the median vote). And, whilst we are here I'd also be happy to remove the 10 rather than 1 as in my little world I probably use it less than the 1 button and I might use that once in every 250 votes or so.

My average vote given is 5.3800 and I am trying to improve that and voting with 9 choices I may well give a 5 to an image that is (to me) slightly below average which today I'd vote a 4 etc etc.

I'm off to bed so feel free to discuss :)


just add an edit button where voter can add vote in fraction, for example : 5.0729839283
(this is addition to 1->10 we already have)

This will give more graded voting.
07/16/2009 12:48:06 AM · #25
First off, LoL @ Art's posts in this thread, you guys should go back and read them,

Second, if we shift the voting scale in whatever way, the 'average' score will also shift, and then we will have to shift the scale again in order to accommodate for that shift, or keep on splitting the voting increments into infinity and that will not work out.

Last, the voting 'system' is arbitrary and has evolved into its own beast that you come to know after spending time on this site. I'm often surprised by placement, sure, but it's also crazy how I can tell why an image was a 6.1 instead of a 6.2, and my favorite area is actually in the 5.8 range for non-free studies, you can find some real gems in there.
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