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05/14/2004 01:20:33 PM · #1
I so need to get a camera with a good telephoto!!!

I saw my very first BC bear yesterday evening - I was so excited. People here in BC have been telling me that there are bears everywhere, downtown, in backyards, on trails, and I hadn't seen a single one so far. But, here is my first bear:





It was a beautiful, shiny, brownish/red bear, but kinda small, smaller than a cow I would say. I somehow thought bears would be huge.


05/14/2004 01:42:54 PM · #2
Smaller is better, actually size depends on a lot of factors. Species, sex, etc... Polar Bears are actually the largest, grizzlies next I think, not sure which is next brown or black.

or

hmm,...//breaking.tcm.ie/2002/10/11/story72067.html looks like I am wrong again.
Ted Heuvelmans says he shot the 1,800lb Alaskan Brown bear from 35 yards away, in self defence.

The bear, which was 14ft tall, tried to attack him during a hunting trip on Hitchenbrook Island, near the Elmendorf Air Force Base in the Gulf of Alaska, south of Valdez.

It's twice the size of a normal brown bear, which is the largest of the bears, and experts say it could be the world's biggest.

Alaska has the highest concentration of brown bears in the world.

hmm... this one says Polar are larger in general but some Kodak (brown bear subspecies) have tipped the scales.
//www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/bear.html

Message edited by author 2004-05-14 13:45:09.
05/14/2004 02:17:30 PM · #3
Aha, from the second link it looks like brown bears are smaller on the average, but they can get really, really big. The one I saw yesterday didn't look very big to me. Maybe it was a young one. It sure was a beautiful creature!

Funny about the guy in the first story - when I read "shot" I figured he'd taken a picture, turns out he actually shot the bear. Funny how words mean different things.

05/14/2004 02:35:08 PM · #4
Uh the Kodiak is the biggest bear out there, quite a bit bigger than polar bears on average.

Originally posted by C-Fox:

Smaller is better, actually size depends on a lot of factors. Species, sex, etc... Polar Bears are actually the largest, grizzlies next I think, not sure which is next brown or black.

or

hmm,...//breaking.tcm.ie/2002/10/11/story72067.html looks like I am wrong again.
Ted Heuvelmans says he shot the 1,800lb Alaskan Brown bear from 35 yards away, in self defence.

The bear, which was 14ft tall, tried to attack him during a hunting trip on Hitchenbrook Island, near the Elmendorf Air Force Base in the Gulf of Alaska, south of Valdez.

It's twice the size of a normal brown bear, which is the largest of the bears, and experts say it could be the world's biggest.

Alaska has the highest concentration of brown bears in the world.

hmm... this one says Polar are larger in general but some Kodak (brown bear subspecies) have tipped the scales.
//www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/bear.html


Message edited by author 2004-05-14 14:36:24.
05/14/2004 03:13:47 PM · #5
Smaller is better, actually size depends on a lot of factors. Species, sex, etc... Polar Bears are actually the largest, grizzlies next I think, not sure which is next brown or black.

or

hmm,...//breaking.tcm.ie/2002/10/11/story72067.html looks like I am wrong again.
Ted Heuvelmans says he shot the 1,800lb Alaskan Brown bear from 35 yards away, in self defence.


Brown bears and Grizzly bears and Kodiak bears are all the same thing.

Black bears are much smaller and that's what is pictured here even though it has brown fur.

You can spot a Grizzly by it's dishpan face and large hump on it's front shoulder (which looks grizzled hence it's name). In the lower 48 states, Brown bears can get pretty large, but nowhere near what they get in Alaska.
05/14/2004 09:09:36 PM · #6
My understanding (although no bear expert) is that "Black Bears" are the smallest and can have coats of several colors including Black, Brown, Red Brown, Black Brown.

Next is what are sometimes called Grizzly's or Browns, or Kodiaks. They are essentially the same bear, but have different names depending on their location. In the Western US they are commonly called Grizzly's. In Alaska they are called both Browns and Kodiak's, depending on whether they are coastal or inland. Diet is the main determinant between the Kodiak and Brown, even though they are the same bear.

Polar bears are the ultimate predator. Largest. Most brazen. Their color is actually green, due to the hollow hair follicles that get filled with algae.

This image is further evidence that a longer lense would have been helpful. This was a very disapointing shot as I simply did not have enough "reach" to capture this "lifetime" event. This shot was a constant thought as I decided on the Digital SLR and subsequent Sigma 50-500. With the 1.5 crop factor, my 500 becomes a 750 (2.5 times the 300).

This is at 120 yards. (750 is much better)

Message edited by author 2004-05-14 21:28:16.
05/14/2004 10:40:50 PM · #7
That was me coming back from the bar,you need telephoto glasses :-)

I always have 400 mm ready in my car :



Message edited by author 2004-05-14 22:42:35.
05/15/2004 12:54:19 AM · #8
Black bears, as Flash has said already, are the smallest and come in black and variations of brown. There are, very rarely, also white (Albino) black bears, which the natives here call Spirit Bears. Brown Bears do not exist for Canadians other than as a colour variation of Black Bears. What Americans call Brown Bears, we call Kodiacs (exclusively). Grizzlies are Grizzlies (a significantly larger, humped and dish-faced bear with a tipped coat and a much greater range than the Blacks, who prefers more remote and pristine regions including the high country. Kodiacs look like Grizzlies but are the largest bear there is, except for the Polar Bear. You'll find Kodiacs in Northern British Columbia and in Alaska.

If you've ever seen a Grizzly and have an encounter with a Kodiac, you'll know the difference.
Here's a photo of a young female Grizzly, which was not taken with a telephoto :



Message edited by author 2004-05-15 13:09:19.
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