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05/14/2009 12:31:06 PM · #1 |
Anyone care to chime in on this one? IMO Perez Hilton was an idiot. In short, she had my respect for answering honestly even though I don't agree with her on the matter. I think Perez Hilton was scum for immediately getting on his blog to talk about Miss California and how he was 'the youtube moment'. He was so happy about the whole thing because it brought him more celebrity that he even forgot who won the Miss USA pageant by the time he made his video. He admittedly says that he expected her to be "Politically correct" instead of honest. He's now using this publicity as a reason to get himself more airtime in what he would have you believe is to fight for gay rights, when in fact, he's only hurting the cause. He's pushing people who really make a difference away from him because they know he's making a living off of being openly gay. Being openly gay is great, especially if you have friends and family there to support you. However, we're talking about a person who tries desperately to publicly oust celebrities at a time when there still is a stigma attached to being gay. Artist could lose record sales or movie roles, all because this guy has decided that his cause is more important and his feelings about their personal lives supersede their own. He's scum...
Ms. California had some respect from me until she decided to put on the show with Donald Trump talking about her freedom of speech and how she felt that because she expressed her freedom of speech she was penalized. Well, this is where mom has to step in and say "Honey, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism of your speech." Which is what happened. The judges decided her answer didn't fall inline with what Miss USA should represent. And that's my big question...what does she represent or do? Had this question be posed to a political leader that had power to make changes, I would have said "Great job." But at a Miss USA Pageant...give me a break. How many other Christian girls in the pageant would have answered politically correct over their faith (As I'm sure there were plenty more Christians in that group, and of those plenty I'm sure a few had the same opinion).
I will say this about the Miss California/Perez Hilton media coverage, I've been asking my Japanese friends what their take on gay marriage is and what the laws are here. I was surprised in many ways. Still waiting for some to get back to me. Will share in a post sometime later if this debate can catch on and stay civil. |
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05/14/2009 12:34:59 PM · #2 |
I don't give any time to any of the nonsense, and neither should anyone else. They're doing it because it gets reactions.
We all need to stop reacting. |
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05/14/2009 12:39:51 PM · #3 |
Man, I need to stay out of Rant or I'm going to get addicted....
further discussion Here |
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05/14/2009 12:43:10 PM · #4 |
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05/14/2009 12:53:33 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Man, I need to stay out of Rant or I'm going to get addicted....
further discussion Here |
ETA:  heavyj, I'm curious about the Japanese take on the issue, so please post when able. |
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05/14/2009 01:07:48 PM · #6 |
if I cut through the bulls#&*....
fact 1) she has to state on the application that there were no nude/semi nude photos of her....(the pagaent would have helped keeping them from surfacing if she had been honest) "She checked NO"
fact 2) she didn't win Miss USA, "blames it on her response to gay marriage...."
fact 3) some pictures surfaced (refer to fact 1)....and she "blames wardrobe malfaction"......she is "standing on a windy cliff" barely clad, and she doesn't hold on to her top while she plays with her hair....and some "unscruprilous photographer was shooting...."
simple blame game here.....
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05/14/2009 04:05:40 PM · #7 |
This would have never made headlines if Hilton would not have blown his stack to the media after the show. You know the interview where he called her a bitch and said if she would have won, he would have yanked the crown off her head.
Other than those comments, there was not outrage that she didn't win. After those comments the public assumed Hilton gave her low scores for her answer. |
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05/14/2009 04:17:34 PM · #8 |
Well, I DO care - about freedom of speech, about tolerance, about common decency - none of which were exhibited by Perez Hilton or that MSNBC person.
If we don't all care about it, we will lose it and wonder what the heck happened. |
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05/14/2009 04:33:32 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
if I cut through the bulls#&*....
fact 1) she has to state on the application that there were no nude/semi nude photos of her....(the pagaent would have helped keeping them from surfacing if she had been honest) "She checked NO"
fact 2) she didn't win Miss USA, "blames it on her response to gay marriage...."
fact 3) some pictures surfaced (refer to fact 1)....and she "blames wardrobe malfaction"......she is "standing on a windy cliff" barely clad, and she doesn't hold on to her top while she plays with her hair....and some "unscruprilous photographer was shooting...."
simple blame game here..... |
Fact - The question asked was purely political. If you're a liberal, your answer is "correct" and you get more points from the judge and win. If you're not a liberal, your answer is "incorrect", the judge throws a tantrum and you lose. Then when the public praises you for having a backbone and integrity and not giving the obvious answer to win, liberals who disapprove of your opinion search for mud to sling at you.
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05/14/2009 04:58:37 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by OmanOtter:
Originally posted by dassilem:
if I cut through the bulls#&*....
fact 1) she has to state on the application that there were no nude/semi nude photos of her....(the pagaent would have helped keeping them from surfacing if she had been honest) "She checked NO"
fact 2) she didn't win Miss USA, "blames it on her response to gay marriage...."
fact 3) some pictures surfaced (refer to fact 1)....and she "blames wardrobe malfaction"......she is "standing on a windy cliff" barely clad, and she doesn't hold on to her top while she plays with her hair....and some "unscruprilous photographer was shooting...."
simple blame game here..... |
Fact - The question asked was purely political. If you're a liberal, your answer is "correct" and you get more points from the judge and win. If you're not a liberal, your answer is "incorrect", the judge throws a tantrum and you lose. Then when the public praises you for having a backbone and integrity and not giving the obvious answer to win, liberals who disapprove of your opinion search for mud to sling at you. |
ok...BUT did she pose for pictures?? accident or not....and did she say she did not have any pictures around....UMMM FACT-yes...
I don't care about all the other stuff....but if she had been honest on her application there would not be mud to sling....
Her interview on NBC was quite funny...they asked her if there were going to be any other pics surfacing...and she said "I can't tell, if someone takes a picture of me in my dressing room, I can't say there won't be any"....well, the pictures that have surfaced were not taken through a window into her dressing room.
Of which, the ones I have seen, are not bad pictures....other than the one 'accident' one...
Message edited by author 2009-05-14 16:58:59. |
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05/14/2009 05:08:04 PM · #11 |
OmanOtter...IMO you nailed it.
Originally posted by OmanOtter:
Originally posted by dassilem:
if I cut through the bulls#&*....
fact 1) she has to state on the application that there were no nude/semi nude photos of her....(the pagaent would have helped keeping them from surfacing if she had been honest) "She checked NO"
fact 2) she didn't win Miss USA, "blames it on her response to gay marriage...."
fact 3) some pictures surfaced (refer to fact 1)....and she "blames wardrobe malfaction"......she is "standing on a windy cliff" barely clad, and she doesn't hold on to her top while she plays with her hair....and some "unscruprilous photographer was shooting...."
simple blame game here..... |
Fact - The question asked was purely political. If you're a liberal, your answer is "correct" and you get more points from the judge and win. If you're not a liberal, your answer is "incorrect", the judge throws a tantrum and you lose. Then when the public praises you for having a backbone and integrity and not giving the obvious answer to win, liberals who disapprove of your opinion search for mud to sling at you. |
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05/14/2009 05:09:21 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by heavyj:
Ms. California had some respect from me until she decided to put on the show with Donald Trump talking about her freedom of speech and how she felt that because she expressed her freedom of speech she was penalized. |
So in short, I want freedom of speech but I don't want others to have it... Perhaps she could be honest and just come out and say that.
Message edited by author 2009-05-14 17:10:16.
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05/14/2009 05:14:34 PM · #13 |
IMO:
The question was a set-up to draw free commercial time during a national telecast to advance the cause of gay marriage.
Hilton was sure that none of the contestants would dare answer as Calif. did. He wanted this to be POSSITIVE for gay marriage. Instead, Calif. did just the opposite and promoted the "man/woman" aspect.
This enraged Hilton and others and they set out from that moment on to DESTROY her....and to their dismay...it made her a huge star.
LOL !!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by dassilem:
Originally posted by OmanOtter:
Originally posted by dassilem:
if I cut through the bulls#&*....
fact 1) she has to state on the application that there were no nude/semi nude photos of her....(the pagaent would have helped keeping them from surfacing if she had been honest) "She checked NO"
fact 2) she didn't win Miss USA, "blames it on her response to gay marriage...."
fact 3) some pictures surfaced (refer to fact 1)....and she "blames wardrobe malfaction"......she is "standing on a windy cliff" barely clad, and she doesn't hold on to her top while she plays with her hair....and some "unscruprilous photographer was shooting...."
simple blame game here..... |
Fact - The question asked was purely political. If you're a liberal, your answer is "correct" and you get more points from the judge and win. If you're not a liberal, your answer is "incorrect", the judge throws a tantrum and you lose. Then when the public praises you for having a backbone and integrity and not giving the obvious answer to win, liberals who disapprove of your opinion search for mud to sling at you. |
ok...BUT did she pose for pictures?? accident or not....and did she say she did not have any pictures around....UMMM FACT-yes...
I don't care about all the other stuff....but if she had been honest on her application there would not be mud to sling....
Her interview on NBC was quite funny...they asked her if there were going to be any other pics surfacing...and she said "I can't tell, if someone takes a picture of me in my dressing room, I can't say there won't be any"....well, the pictures that have surfaced were not taken through a window into her dressing room.
Of which, the ones I have seen, are not bad pictures....other than the one 'accident' one... |
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05/14/2009 05:34:07 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
This enraged Hilton and others and they set out from that moment on to DESTROY her....and to their dismay...it made her a huge star. |
And then we have Donald Trump as the arbiter of justice between the two sides and it isn't the current Miss California who resigns but Shannon Moakler, a former Miss USA and the California State Pageant Director.
Nobody could really have predicted this crazy story seconds before Prejean was asked her question... |
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05/14/2009 05:35:15 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by kenskid:
This enraged Hilton and others and they set out from that moment on to DESTROY her....and to their dismay...it made her a huge star. |
And then we have Donald Trump as the arbiter of justice between the two sides and it isn't the current Miss California who resigns but Shannon Moakler, a former Miss USA and the California State Pageant Director.
Nobody could really have predicted this crazy story seconds before Prejean was asked her question... |
except possibly the entertainment industry that this is all going down in :P |
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05/14/2009 05:46:42 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
Originally posted by OmanOtter:
Originally posted by dassilem:
if I cut through the bulls#&*....
fact 1) she has to state on the application that there were no nude/semi nude photos of her....(the pagaent would have helped keeping them from surfacing if she had been honest) "She checked NO"
fact 2) she didn't win Miss USA, "blames it on her response to gay marriage...."
fact 3) some pictures surfaced (refer to fact 1)....and she "blames wardrobe malfaction"......she is "standing on a windy cliff" barely clad, and she doesn't hold on to her top while she plays with her hair....and some "unscruprilous photographer was shooting...."
simple blame game here..... |
Fact - The question asked was purely political. If you're a liberal, your answer is "correct" and you get more points from the judge and win. If you're not a liberal, your answer is "incorrect", the judge throws a tantrum and you lose. Then when the public praises you for having a backbone and integrity and not giving the obvious answer to win, liberals who disapprove of your opinion search for mud to sling at you. |
ok...BUT did she pose for pictures?? accident or not....and did she say she did not have any pictures around....UMMM FACT-yes...
I don't care about all the other stuff....but if she had been honest on her application there would not be mud to sling....
Her interview on NBC was quite funny...they asked her if there were going to be any other pics surfacing...and she said "I can't tell, if someone takes a picture of me in my dressing room, I can't say there won't be any"....well, the pictures that have surfaced were not taken through a window into her dressing room.
Of which, the ones I have seen, are not bad pictures....other than the one 'accident' one... |
is posing for nude or half nude is so bad.
You make it sound like posing for a topless is one of the worst sins she could have done.
just asking this because i see lots of nudes here at dpc of self or of their spouses. Meaning are all these people doing something really bad.
just a thought. |
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05/14/2009 05:49:33 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
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is posing for nude or half nude is so bad.
You make it sound like posing for a topless is one of the worst sins she could have done.
just asking this because i see lots of nudes here at dpc of self or of their spouses. Meaning are all these people doing something really bad.
just a thought. |
The issue is not that she may have posed nude for photos, but that she may have lied when she said she hadn't. The pageant has certain rules regarding the conducts of contestants and some have argued that she violated some of these... that is the issue at hand.
Ray |
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05/14/2009 05:50:38 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
is posing for nude or half nude is so bad.
You make it sound like posing for a topless is one of the worst sins she could have done. |
As we learned from President Nixon, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up (pun intended). The point is not the content of the pictures, but that she lied about them on her application. |
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05/14/2009 05:53:26 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
they set out from that moment on to DESTROY her....and to their dismay...it made her a huge star. |
Are we being a little dramatic here? What have they done to DESTROY her? And when did she become a huge star? I missed that memo. Is she now bigger than Sanjaya?
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05/14/2009 05:58:48 PM · #20 |
LOL...come on...it is obvious to me at least that they tried to beat her down for her WRONG answer....and it is obvious that she is a bigger name now than if she would have won the pagent.
Ok....WITHOUT asking Google or any other website....what is the first and last name of the girl who won the pagent? or...can you even tell me the state the pagent winner is from ?
I know this is a moot question b/c if answered correctly, one will never know if you googled for the answer.
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by kenskid:
they set out from that moment on to DESTROY her....and to their dismay...it made her a huge star. |
Are we being a little dramatic here? What have they done to DESTROY her? And when did she become a huge star? I missed that memo. Is she now bigger than Sanjaya? |
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05/14/2009 06:00:43 PM · #21 |
Well, I guess she didn't violate her contract because Donald says she didn't. He would be the person she would be in breech against.
The pink underwear pictures were nothing. Just last week I saw nearly the exact same pose in an ad on the back cover of People magazine. Non-story.
The wind picture? Well, it's he-said, she-said. It does obviously qualify as nude, but is the intent there? Nobody knows but Prejean, I guess. Donald seems good with it though.
In the end the whole thing has been good for Prejean, which is probably just fine. Speak your mind and get rewarded? Who'd figure? |
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05/14/2009 06:47:19 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...It does obviously qualify as nude .... Donald seems good with it though. |
Yes, whenever I think of someone who represents a paragon the prevailing social ethos Mr. Trump leaps to the top of the list ...
Seems like it would be hard for him to resist the opportunity to use his personal catch-phrase ... :-) |
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05/14/2009 06:53:30 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...It does obviously qualify as nude .... Donald seems good with it though. |
Yes, whenever I think of someone who represents a paragon the prevailing social ethos Mr. Trump leaps to the top of the list ...
Seems like it would be hard for him to resist the opportunity to use his personal catch-phrase ... :-) |
I agree. That's why I find it so ironic that Donald has played the peacemaker. Really the cynic in me thinks that he sees it as delicious PR, but even from that point of view the angle he took is interesting. He could have played to the media/hollywood crowd and fired Prejean, or he plays to the mom and apple pie crowd and says she was just speaking her first amendment mind. I really didn't know which way it would go. |
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05/14/2009 10:45:06 PM · #24 |
Miss USA is a business. If she lied on her application (She stated she didn't lie but simple didn't realize that such photos existed) still the contract is between her and her boss. Her boss is Donald Trump. If she broke the contract to the point that he felt she needed to lose her crown, ultimately he gets to decide. He decided not to fire her. End of story. Perez first wanted her out because of her "Wrong" answer (When asked an opinion there is no wrong answer, there's the politically correct answer and your answer) but after she retained her title as Miss California Perez decided to use whatever he had to get hunt her down and destroy her with something else.
As far as my Japanese friends:
I teach a group of 40 to 50yr old ladies, 8 of them, all with sons and daughters. They are "non-practicing Buddhists". Most of them had a Christian wedding (More so the bride could wear a white dress and for photo ops)and when they die they will have a Buddhist funeral. Very common in Japan. Religion is never at the center of any controversy here unless you are part of a cult. I asked these women if they felt they were 'religious' and they said "Not really. Maybe there's a God, but I don't know." This was the basic answer they all gave. I then asked "What if your child came home, in love, with someone of the same sex." All of them had to pause and think. None of them showed any form of disgust. Before they answered I asked what their Buddhist teachings told them. Nobody knew. They went on to say that it was less about religion but more about how society would treat them. In a country where conformity, being the same as everyone else is the norm, the stigma of being gay is there. However, each mother said "I would try to understand. I never thought about it before. If the person they love is a good person I'm happy BUT I worry about how society will treat them." I then said "I think by the time they've figured out they are gay, they know that life will be tough." I then asked "Would you support them if they wanted to get married?" And everyone answered "Yes." There was no doubt, no instance where it was possible "No." was an answer. They added though that as mother's they all dream of a day they can watch their daughter walk down the isle with a man, or their son with a woman at a wedding ceremony but that that is THEIR dream and that their childrens' dreams take precedence over theirs.
Homework for the class was to ask their husbands what they thought. I get those answers in about 2 weeks. Should be interesting. |
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05/14/2009 11:35:18 PM · #25 |
What is their definition of nude and semi-nude? I would think someone has to actually SHOW all of their breasts, or at least all of one breast, to be either (just topless for semi and no clothes and everything hanging out for nude). Hers are covered up and are quite tastefully done, IMO...
My question is: Isn't that really the whole crux of the issue? What if (in her mind) she didn't lie? |
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