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03/31/2009 08:12:52 AM · #1 |
Do you blame them?
Seriously what would you do if this happened to you?
linky
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03/31/2009 08:25:18 AM · #2 |
This behaviour seems very odd to me. Shouldn't they be turning their energy into some other form of positive cash flow? I can't imagine losing a job, then going back and hanging around there afterwards, and I've been through a LOT of jobs. The last time I lost a job from a tanking economy, I shook hands with the boss, thanked him for the opportunity, and kept in touch. These guys are nuts, and burning bridges with their most important network.
I suppose there's a lot I don't know, though. :-/
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03/31/2009 09:10:42 AM · #3 |
| I blame them. Lots of people are losing their jobs. If they all acted like this guy we'd be even more messed up. |
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03/31/2009 09:14:00 AM · #4 |
I blame them too.
What would I do? I wouldn't get myself drunk and then go start fights because I felt sorry for myself, that's for damn sure. I'd probably be angry, disappointed, and frustrated, but I'd move on to the best of my ability. |
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03/31/2009 09:59:42 AM · #5 |
i guess the photo caption sums it up - they used the flailing economy to justify their own flailing... :)
Originally posted by article:
Three alcohol-fueled fights erupted at a Michigan auto dealership last week on the day employees were told the business was closing, another sign of a community on edge as it tries to deal with the flailing economy. |
Message edited by author 2009-03-31 10:00:01.
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03/31/2009 10:05:19 AM · #6 |
| Being an employee of a dealership let me tell you why this happened. The owner more than likely has used every bit of profit from the dealership to buy every toy he could. He knew about 6 months ago things were getting bad and instead of planning for the bad times that could be coming he continues to spend. The salesman sees what all he's buying and think things are getting better. Then after he has spent or put away all of his cash he blames it on the economy and says we have to close. Leaving ever other employee holding the bag. He has everything he needs and doesn’t worry about anyone else. I blame the owner for him getting his tail kicked! This is just my opinion from being in the business for so many years. This may not be what happened at all but from knowing many dealership owners I know how they tend to be. Not that all owners are bad but many get greedy and don't know when to stop. |
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03/31/2009 10:24:29 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
This is just my opinion from being in the business for so many years. |
I hate to say this but, your retort is seemingly based on nothing more than speculation and is replete with justification.
It is indeed very sad that these people lost their jobs, but their behaviour does absolutely nothing to restore these jobs and attracts unwanted focus on their behavioural traits. Their actions will most certainly not enhance their chances at employment.
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03/31/2009 10:34:00 AM · #8 |
*Shaking head*
What, exactly, are they hoping to accomplish by getting wasted and then in a fight? Shouldn't they be crying in their beers together instead? And yeah, I'd say this is an absolutely superb way to deep-six any further job opportunities for the foreseeable future. |
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03/31/2009 10:36:38 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
... And yeah, I'd say this is an absolutely superb way to deep-six any further job opportunities for the foreseeable future. |
Guests on the Jerry Springer Show... Mixed Martial Arts fighters... Circus Clowns...
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03/31/2009 10:41:16 AM · #10 |
In the automobile sales market if you have sold cars you can get a job selling cars. Owners do not look at your past history or call the other dealerships. They look at a) if you can sell cars b) if you can make them money and c)can you start today! I hate to say it but many people sell cars because they can't get a job any where else. As a salesman we are looked down on because of years of mistreating customers and I hate to say it but that is almost the rule and not the exception. I run a great dealship with really good respectful people but that does not mean that they were perfect in the past. Car sells are different than any other job!
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
This is just my opinion from being in the business for so many years. |
I hate to say this but, your retort is seemingly based on nothing more than speculation and is replete with justification.
It is indeed very sad that these people lost their jobs, but their behaviour does absolutely nothing to restore these jobs and attracts unwanted focus on their behavioural traits. Their actions will most certainly not enhance their chances at employment.
Ray |
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03/31/2009 10:41:57 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
Being an employee of a dealership let me tell you why this happened. The owner more than likely has used every bit of profit from the dealership to buy every toy he could. He knew about 6 months ago things were getting bad and instead of planning for the bad times that could be coming he continues to spend. The salesman sees what all he's buying and think things are getting better. Then after he has spent or put away all of his cash he blames it on the economy and says we have to close. Leaving ever other employee holding the bag. He has everything he needs and doesn’t worry about anyone else. I blame the owner for him getting his tail kicked! This is just my opinion from being in the business for so many years. This may not be what happened at all but from knowing many dealership owners I know how they tend to be. Not that all owners are bad but many get greedy and don't know when to stop. |
That's pretty harsh without knowing specifics, business owners have a tremendous amount of expense outlay each month and if the money stops rolling in for what ever reason sooner or later they need to stop the bleeding. People who risk their own money and have some success need to be able to enjoy some pay backs for the risk they have taken and the initial sacrifice and sleepless nights worrying about making ends meet and if along the line they are able to employ people and help others that is great. To make that kind of accusation without knowing if the employees did anything to help or hurt the business is little unfair and short sighted. |
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03/31/2009 10:45:11 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
In the automobile sales market if you have sold cars you can get a job selling cars. Owners do not look at your past history or call the other dealerships. They look at a) if you can sell cars b) if you can make them money and c)can you start today! I hate to say it but many people sell cars because they can't get a job any where else. As a salesman we are looked down on because of years of mistreating customers and I hate to say it but that is almost the rule and not the exception. I run a great dealship with really good respectful people but that does not mean that they were perfect in the past. Car sells are different than any other job!
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
This is just my opinion from being in the business for so many years. |
I hate to say this but, your retort is seemingly based on nothing more than speculation and is replete with justification.
It is indeed very sad that these people lost their jobs, but their behaviour does absolutely nothing to restore these jobs and attracts unwanted focus on their behavioural traits. Their actions will most certainly not enhance their chances at employment.
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Great I'll buy the red one then... Oh your good... oh your real good. Hey what's my payment on that again? |
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03/31/2009 10:48:14 AM · #13 |
Sorry I said anything. Thought people should know what someone who's been in the business has seen. Sorry if I said something that I shouldn't have. Not really proud of the business that I'm in but that's the way I've seen it in the past. Shouldn't judge people based on others and for that I'm sorry.
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03/31/2009 10:52:42 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
Sorry I said anything. Thought people should know what someone who's been in the business has seen. Sorry if I said something that I shouldn't have. Not really proud of the business that I'm in but that's the way I've seen it in the past. Shouldn't judge people based on others and for that I'm sorry.
Shane |
Shane don't let it get to ya, I think they may have just looked at it wrong.
The way I understood what you were saying was you were just providing the knowledge you know from being in the same business as the guys in the story. You were not in anyway explaining what happened in their case but only making an assumption to what could have happened. Being that you are in the same field you feel that it's a high possibility. It's kind of like photography and other photographers, if a photographer looks at another picture and says he more than likely used 2-3 lights set up here, here and here, right? |
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03/31/2009 10:55:17 AM · #15 |
Thanks for understanding, that is all I was trying to do.
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
Sorry I said anything. Thought people should know what someone who's been in the business has seen. Sorry if I said something that I shouldn't have. Not really proud of the business that I'm in but that's the way I've seen it in the past. Shouldn't judge people based on others and for that I'm sorry.
Shane |
Shane don't let it get to ya, I think they may have just looked at it wrong.
The way I understood what you were saying was you were just providing the knowledge you know from being in the same business as the guys in the story. You were not in anyway explaining what happened in their case but only making an assumption to what could have happened. Being that you are in the same field you feel that it's a high possibility. It's kind of like photography and other photographers, if a photographer looks at another picture and says he more than likely used 2-3 lights set up here, here and here, right? |
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03/31/2009 11:02:36 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
Sorry I said anything. Thought people should know what someone who's been in the business has seen. Sorry if I said something that I shouldn't have. Not really proud of the business that I'm in but that's the way I've seen it in the past. Shouldn't judge people based on others and for that I'm sorry.
Shane |
I had years of management experience and I always knew when I left early employees would think why is he leaving when we are stuck here working, those same employees never saw the hours working at home or the hours spent working with the second shift so perception is not always reality. I just think unless you know all the specifics then throwing out blanket statements might not be fair.
I feel sorry these folks are facing the loss of a job but truly professional and responsible people normally will not act the way they did, unfortunately this may be the start of things to come with all the frustration out there. |
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03/31/2009 11:05:04 AM · #17 |
| What it really comes down to is that there is never an excuse for this kind of behavior. |
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03/31/2009 11:05:55 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
What it really comes down to is that there is never an excuse for this kind of behavior. |
Amen, even if they have been drinking....lol
Edited so it does not appear I thought  K10DGuy had been drinking!
Message edited by author 2009-03-31 11:08:20. |
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03/31/2009 01:20:23 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by stultsphoto:
Sorry I said anything. Thought people should know what someone who's been in the business has seen. Sorry if I said something that I shouldn't have. Not really proud of the business that I'm in but that's the way I've seen it in the past. Shouldn't judge people based on others and for that I'm sorry.
Shane |
People really have no idea at how bad the car industry is......and are very infrequently willing to accept that those of us that do know, will tell the truth or have any more knowledge than they do about it.
Just about every time there's any car-related thread here, you will have people who know nothing about it tell you how it works.
I noticed this everywhere from the barstool next to me to some stranger on an elevator.
What I finally realized is that nobody really wants to look at how ugly and unrestrained of an industry it is, and how much incompetence is rampant.
As you know from your dealings with customers, you just have to do the best you can to be decent and honest, and let the cards fall where they may.
Personally, I think it's kind of funny the way those guys have effectively torpedoed themselves as real human beings.
You just never know these days when someone will catch you with a video camera.
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03/31/2009 01:51:49 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Do you blame them?
Seriously what would you do if this happened to you? |
LOL! Yeah, I do blame them. I would like to think if I lost my job I would not react by getting drunk and trying to kick someones ass. The ability to deal with these situations in a rational manner is one of the many things that seperates us from animals.
Message edited by author 2009-03-31 13:52:06. |
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03/31/2009 03:43:04 PM · #21 |
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03/31/2009 03:55:21 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
The ability to deal with these situations in a rational manner is one of the many things that seperates us from animals. |
Better not read about how they are acting in France!
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