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06/24/2002 10:30:08 AM · #1 |
This is one of my outtakes for the shadows-challenge.
It''s a totally different approach then the photo I submitted, but I choose not to submit this one because somehow I thought it wouldn''t be recognized as a "shadows"-photo.
* This message has been edited by the author on 6/24/2002 10:30:24 AM. |
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06/24/2002 10:41:33 AM · #2 |
I think it is a great shot. Regardless if there isn't an actual physical 'shadow' - it would've scored well with me.
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06/24/2002 10:45:39 AM · #3 |
That's the kind of picture I like -- one that makes you stop and look. But I also thought your clover shot came in lower than it should (I think it deserved to score better than mine, at least).
I have the feeling you did the right thing by submitting the clover shot -- based on past experience, I think a lot of people would have simply looked at the sheep shot for a couple of seconds and said, "Where's the shadow?" Then given you a 2 (if you were lucky) and moved on.
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06/24/2002 11:31:13 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Remie:
This is one of my outtakes for the shadows-challenge.
It''s a totally different approach then the photo I submitted, but I choose not to submit this one because somehow I thought it wouldn''t be recognized as a "shadows"-photo
Remie..I think you were smart to submit what you did. I think here you need to be as literal as possible. Not a horrible thing. Photographers need to learn how to be literal in their interpretations in addition to artistic interpretations. Another site might lean more to the artistic.
My Outakes contained more literal and strongly cast shadows but I submitted a countour/depth shadow and got hammered. But I still have cool photos to show for it and I learned stuff..which is what I am about.
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06/24/2002 11:38:49 AM · #5 |
My shadow outtakes sucked worse than my submission so I won't be posting them :)
My city life outtakes suck too but they are available on the link below...
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06/24/2002 11:52:16 AM · #6 |
Hi Remie, A shadow can be synonyms with a sidekick – or anything that follows closely behind for that matter. (at least in my book) - I like both of your shots. But I’m just here to take pictures. Some of the other voters apparently lack a little imagination at times. We all sit around (Myself included) picking fly poop out of pepper to specifically define the qualifications of the challenge – If the picture grabs ya, , Share it with us.
This might be an interesting way to promote creativity on the DPChallenge:
If we could all submit 2 photos???? – then we could go out on a limb with one of them without blowing a chance to win. (we might also get fewer comments due to the large number of submissions).
Hokie hit's it on the nose here "you need to be as literal as possible." (if you intend to win)
29 Five O'Clock Shadow
by Derric Riegel
Average Score: 5.729
This is a great shot, but I thik it cost him points to share this with us – Thanks Derric
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06/24/2002 11:55:24 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
My shadow outtakes sucked worse than my submission so I won't be posting them :)
My city life outtakes suck too but they are available on the link below...
John..I think the hardest thing a photographer has to do here is submit his style to various challenges. A very good thing because it forces a photographer to stretch their wings a bit.
But....
I have a very definite way to treat my approach to photography. Look at any photographer. They don't worry that they are a great sports photographer, abstract photographer, nature photographer, portrait photographer or whatever.
I am sure you have heard the expression "Jack of all trades, master of none". I treat photogrpahy like that. I take my approach and apply it to the challenges. Sometimes it works perfect, Like my games photo. Sometimes it doesn't, like my shadow photo.
One thing I hope no photographer changes is the driving vision that makes them take a photo in athe first place. That means there will be some topics that just don't float your boat enough to make you happy about the way you things turned out with your interpretation. |
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06/24/2002 12:07:09 PM · #8 |
I don't have any problems with my interpretation of anything this week. I think the photo that I submitted is one of my top 5 photos that I have ever taken. I am planning to frame a 9x12 print of this one and hang it on my wall. It's also going to compete in my local camera club next month :)
My only issue this week is with my inability to relay a sense of 'city life' to the voter. It's not really a flaw in the photo or in my interpretation, it's just that most don't see it the way I do and I have no problems with that. It's actually scoring a little better than I expected it to. I expected 4.5 to 5 this week and I am slightly above that at the moment.
Like I said in the past, I am ALWAYS happy with what I submit, otherwise I wouldn' thave submitted it. :)
I do plan to rock some boats next week tho, so everyone better hold on tite :)
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06/24/2002 12:10:32 PM · #9 |
remie,
your outtake was interesting but I *really* liked your clover picture.
keep shooting! |
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06/24/2002 01:37:13 PM · #10 |
| Thanks for the feedback all. I liked both shots and it's always hard to choose wich one to submit. You convinced me I've chosen the right one. |
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07/04/2002 04:48:22 AM · #11 |
I got a lot of positive and helpful comments on my submission for the SHADOWS challenge. Since they were so consistent, and in the spirit of this as an educational site, I have re-created/re-worked the image to try and incorporate most of the comments.
Here is my orignal submission.
Here is the link to the re-shot image done per DPC specs (except for 150k limit on JPEG).
Here are version 1 and version 2 of the new image, but with border and captioning as if preparing for printing a poster.
Lastly, this is the original image re-worked (NOT to DPC specs) to try and "rescue" the image.
Your further comments and suggestions are welcome, either in this forum or by email.
Thanks, Paul |
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07/04/2002 07:05:37 AM · #12 |
Hi General: My comments are,
The redone image is improved over the original in respect to the background, and in that there are actually 2 shadows (one strong, one light). I personally do not like the reworked image, as it loses the colors, hence losing he impact of the statement being made. I prefer version 1 over version 2 because of title impact and placement. In my perfect world, I would still prefer to see the hands nearly touching so that they do not look like they are on the edge of the photo. I may have even tried to tilt the camera angle so that the hands and a bit of the wrists and arms meet just off set of the middle protruding from more of the corners of the photograph. However, I do like how it is upside down now as well - defining the shadow as the subject, leading your eye to the cause of the shadow afterwards, giving more impact.
:0)
BTW: It is awesome to see you taking in critique positively! Thanks for posting!
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/4/2002 7:06:21 AM.
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07/04/2002 03:05:15 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Hi Karen,
Thanks for taking the time to give such detailed suggestions.
I usually have 5-10 minutes to set up and shoot this when I pick Isaac up at his babysitter's. The kids were having a hard time reaching in far (to get their hands close) enough without the larger shadows of their bodies encroaching on the "live" part of the image. Also, I was 30 minutes late that day so the angle of the sun had moved.
I ended up having to crop at a pretty severe angle to get just the right parts in there. But -- it's supposed to be sunny again next Wednesday (next time we're there), so maybe I'll print this one out to show them how we need to improve it, and try one more time.
I think I'd like to have their hands/arms close as you describe, but still maybe right along the lower edge (almost forming an irregular border) leaving the initial look one of the darker shadows casting the lighter ones. Busses/bus stops around here often have platitudinous "public service" posters -- I'm sort-of working on creating something like that for donation or sale...
Have a great Fourth (and beyond...)
--Paul |
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07/04/2002 04:02:40 PM · #14 |
Excellent! Good for you!
You know, I just read about Photographer Joe McNallyand how he had to go thru so many extremes and shots to get the "perfect shot" of olympic divers. I know you won't have to go thru that, but it's a good lesson for all of us. Not saying you, but I think alot of times we all think we will get the right shot after only a couple of tries. Of course, we aren't being PAID for this like McNally is, so the incentive is different, but the lesson is the same. Just a note. Thanks for responding to my post.
:-p
On my way to see fireworks soon! Enjoy!
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