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03/14/2009 10:42:03 PM · #1 |
| I've been trying to vote on the Hidden Gem challenge, and I've come to realize that I truly hate being the judge of other peoples art. |
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03/14/2009 10:49:48 PM · #2 |
| I only hate voting when I don't like the shot. When I do like it, it's a blast! |
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03/14/2009 10:50:13 PM · #3 |
Don't be a judge then. Just decide whether or not you like it or not :) There is no rule that says you have to be critical, and it's fairly simple to look at an image and decide whether or not you like what you see...
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03/14/2009 10:50:26 PM · #4 |
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03/14/2009 11:01:39 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Just decide whether or not you like it or not :) There is no rule that says you have to be critical, and it's fairly simple to look at an image and decide whether or not you like what you see... |
Agreed. Many of the comments I get indicate the voter is saying whether or not they personally like it. That's not the same as saying it is bad. |
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03/14/2009 11:15:50 PM · #6 |
dont let other people choose some other peoples fate! Vote!
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03/14/2009 11:22:47 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Just decide whether or not you like it or not :) There is no rule that says you have to be critical, and it's fairly simple to look at an image and decide whether or not you like what you see... |
Agreed. Many of the comments I get indicate the voter is saying whether or not they personally like it. That's not the same as saying it is bad. |
That's a good thing though. I'm subjective first when I evaluate an image. Everything else is just supportive of the subject (or not).
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03/14/2009 11:34:43 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Don't be a judge then. Just decide whether or not you like it or not :) There is no rule that says you have to be critical, and it's fairly simple to look at an image and decide whether or not you like what you see... |
Well, maybe I take it too seriously, but it takes me quite long to compare them. Critical or not, eventually some should get higher marks than others. |
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03/14/2009 11:44:03 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by vaar:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Don't be a judge then. Just decide whether or not you like it or not :) There is no rule that says you have to be critical, and it's fairly simple to look at an image and decide whether or not you like what you see... |
Well, maybe I take it too seriously, but it takes me quite long to compare them. Critical or not, eventually some should get higher marks than others. |
Yuh.. that would be tedious if you are trying to compare and rank images in a challenge. I find it simple enough to look at images and then give each of them a 1-10 score on their own merit rather than comparing them to other images. If you do this consistenly they will fall into line anyway.
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03/14/2009 11:57:55 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Yuh.. that would be tedious if you are trying to compare and rank images in a challenge. I find it simple enough to look at images and then give each of them a 1-10 score on their own merit rather than comparing them to other images. If you do this consistenly they will fall into line anyway. |
I agree. I don't try to determine which of my "9's" or "10's" should be on top for the virtual ribbons. I obviously liked them all in the range, but perhaps for very different reasons. For the scores here, it really boils down to how MANY voters really liked a photo, not really the level of appeal - if that makes sense. I just mark 'em as I see 'em :) |
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03/15/2009 12:14:40 AM · #11 |
agreed.
I vote in 3 ways generally. And each pic is only compared to what it is within its genre. If it's B&W and it's little soft and grainy, well that's a common technique in that genre, and the value of the pic is going to be more content driven anyhow. But if it's a landscape and it's a little soft and grainy, well those are key points for that type.
1. emotional impact or visual WOW: usually the edges of the scale to start. 1-3 or 7-10
Whatever hits me when I first see the image. Then I take that value and give the pic a quick once-over to determine the general technical merit to fine tune (ie WOW, that's INSANE! Ok, but the pic is also wildly oversharpened and there are some rough edges here and there, so I'll take some points for the obvious stuff). It's gotta be unbelievable in at least two ways to get a 10, then it has to be extremely well done to keep it.
This vote doesn't usually take very long. Maybe 5-10 seconds.
2. General impression to the eye: for images that lack the wow. score could be anything, but probably 4-8+.
If there is no wow, then I look it over with my own set of points. I'll then consider if the pic has a deeper meaning or if there is a reason to linger. I'll pay attention to some technicals, depending still on the type of image.
This is the most common type of vote and takes about 10 seconds longer than the previous one. So perhaps around 20 seconds.
3. Deeper meaning: This is for images that don't have a WOW, or may even look very unremarkable on first viewing. Score is usually between 8 and 10 for me. Sometimes lower.
This one takes the longest amount of time. If it has a reason to hook me in for a deeper look, I'll give it a few more looks and examine each part of the picture with a questioning eye trying to understand how it relates to the pic itself etc...
This type takes the longest and I can think of at least 4 pics in the 1000th alone that had me spending more than 5 minutes.
So most of the pics fall into the category 2 and it only takes about 10-20 seconds. There will be a few that take longer, but they are absolutely worth it.
Bottom line, you are never being asked for anything more than your opinion, so you are fairly free to vote how you like. There's no real need to compare them to anything else. If you do feel a need to compare, then simplify and compare within the genre.
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03/15/2009 12:41:08 AM · #12 |
| i'm not sure if I come across as a total prick when I comment, but I really hate empty comments that just say 'great!' or 'nice' or something platitudinal (?). |
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03/15/2009 07:33:17 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Tez:
i'm not sure if I come across as a total prick when I comment, but I really hate empty comments that just say 'great!' or 'nice' or something platitudinal (?). |
Far worse are empty comments that say "it sucks" without telling you why. At least the empty "great" and "nice" comments are good for the ego -- and they are especially nice to get when your numerical score is tanking! |
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03/15/2009 11:37:13 AM · #14 |
I try and rate each image on its own. It would be way too tedious to do a tree sort on them to determine where they should all lie in the rankings. Anyway there's only 10 buckets (11 if you leave a few out) and it's not possible to split the hairs in each bucket.
Just my 2 cdn cents. |
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03/15/2009 11:57:56 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by KelvinC:
I've been trying to vote on the Hidden Gem challenge, and I've come to realize that I truly hate being the judge of other peoples art. |
I like this sentiment. Sometimes I get upset over the score a good picture gets, but then I realize, how the hell can you give a "score" to art?
I do it anyway, of course.
But yes, the idea is absurd. Commenting makes perfect sense, though. |
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03/15/2009 12:11:52 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Tez:
i'm not sure if I come across as a total prick when I comment, but I really hate empty comments that just say 'great!' or 'nice' or something platitudinal (?). |
platitudinous |
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03/15/2009 01:08:38 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by Tez:
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i'm not sure if I come across as a total prick when I comment, but I really hate empty comments that just say 'great!' or 'nice' or something platitudinal (?).
platitudinous |
it seems both might be correct.
though hearing someone just liked your image shouldn't be frowned upon IMO...
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03/15/2009 01:44:26 PM · #18 |
I hate when people say a 2 pixel thin line on your image is distracting and give you a lower score when technically it has absolutely nothing to do with the f-ing picture.
You don't walk into someones house and tell them that the pictures hanging on their wall suck because of the shitty frame on them right? Why the hell would you do it on here? |
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03/15/2009 01:47:31 PM · #19 |
| You're not voting in people's homes. If you were, you might indeed tell them their frames were wrong for their artwork. |
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03/15/2009 01:50:02 PM · #20 |
If the border draws the eye away from the image then it is indeed distracting. If a border is included then it is part of the presentation.
Just remember that not everyone likes borders and some will vote any image with a border lower than if it didn't have one. Just some food for thought.
Message edited by author 2009-03-15 13:51:18. |
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03/15/2009 01:59:36 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by citymars:
You're not voting in people's homes. If you were, you might indeed tell them their frames were wrong for their artwork. |
hahaha
yeah well you do have a point there, but I was just making a statement, a thin line should not be distracting to anyone. Now if it was 23 different colors and was so bold to the point where the picture was only 160px wide instead of the allowed 720 I could understand. |
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03/15/2009 02:01:23 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by KelvinC:
I've been trying to vote on the Hidden Gem challenge, and I've come to realize that I truly hate being the judge of other peoples art. |
Ohh.. so you are only a 'taker' and dont feel like 'giving'? :-) |
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03/15/2009 03:51:11 PM · #23 |
| I don't see it as judging really. It is your take on it. In the Gem challenge, I hardly critiqued. I just said what I thought or how it moved me. If I couldn't give a decent score and say something in a similar vein, I skipped it. |
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