Entry Titles - DPChallenge Forums

01/24/2009 02:07:51 PM · #5

If we have to have titles, then I prefer them on the bottom. Personally I'd like to see no titles.

Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM Autofocus Lens

01/24/2009 02:22:22 PM · #6

My preference is for no titles so having them at the bottom works best. It also makes it less likely for necessary scrolling of vertical images. What a pain it would be to have to scroll every vertical image in order to see it in full.

I'd rather make my own connection to the challenge topic than be led by the photographer.

Message edited by author 2009-01-24 14:23:19.

bvy

Sigma DP1x

01/24/2009 02:22:46 PM · #7

Originally posted by Tygerr:

I don't really like this idea. If the title pops up before the image, then it doesn't give the picture a chance to speak for itself.

Well said. I agree. Keep them down low.

Schnitzer17

01/24/2009 02:41:50 PM · #8

You know what else? A lot of people use titles, it seems, to help shoehorn images into challenges. I haven't been around long, but I notice this sometimes when voting. A picture should stand up on it's own without a caption, IMHO.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/24/2009 02:46:45 PM · #9

Originally posted by Schnitzer17:

That is very true. On the other hand, some titles really enhance the image.

Titles, to me, are a part of the whole package, and I do take them into account.
I like having them below the photo, though - I can look at the photo first, then check the title as a secondary consideration.

mikeee

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

01/24/2009 08:11:14 PM · #10

Titles are useful to anchor an image to a meaning and are useful to all forms of art. However when a photo only fits a challenge because of a laboured title I think it is marked down accordingly.

If a picture ONLY works because of a title then it's a poor photo. If the title enhances an otherwise good image then that's good for me.

Personally I'd prefer NO titles. Might be worth an experimental challenge with a specific topic but all titles hidden until the end of voting?

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/24/2009 08:27:39 PM · #11

Originally posted by mikeee:

The point is valid but the gripe that keeps recurring is that voters do not take the time to look at the images in the first place. If anything it would be interesting to include, with each submission, a brief description as to greater the likelihood of engaging with the photo. This would mean that we'd have to do a lot of additional reading but it would be an interesting experiment in the least. All of these issues simply stem from "image overload" and the emphasis on "quantity" viewing versus "quality" viewing. When is the last time somebody boasted that they engaged and commented meaningfully on twenty images in a challenge? Usually there is praise given to those who vote and comment on 470 photos. They are considered heroic. Really??

Covert_Oddity

Nikon D700

01/24/2009 08:48:43 PM · #12

Originally posted by Ivo:

Do you think people would really take the time to read all the descriptions before voting? My bet is that the only ones who would are the ones who take the time to look at the image properly in the first place. Others would just glance at the picture, vote and move on.

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01/24/2009 08:54:52 PM · #13

Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

Originally posted by Ivo:

The point is valid but the gripe that keeps recurring is that voters do not take the time to look at the images in the first place. If anything it would be interesting to include, with each submission, a brief description as to greater the likelihood of engaging with the photo. This would mean that we'd have to do a lot of additional reading but it would be an interesting experiment in the least.

Do you think people would really take the time to read all the descriptions before voting? My bet is that the only ones who would are the ones who take the time to look at the image properly in the first place. Others would just glance at the picture, vote and move on.

... and there'd be a lot more shoehorning due to much more space to explain an image. The image shouldn't need an accompanying explanation. JMO

01/24/2009 09:12:13 PM · #14

Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I guess some would and some would not. I look whether I like the shot at all and then look at the title. Mostly because I'm subconsciously obligated to get through and vote them all. When that is done, I'll comment on the top shots spending more time as I feel those shots earned my extra attention.

In my eyes, the title is important but the image is the lead. In this venue, one needs the other and would suffer without.

There has to be a sincere effort here to try to remedy that disconnect. It cannot simply be resolved by each member's heightened commitment to go that extra step without enhancing the functionality of the site to address this as well.

01/24/2009 09:13:35 PM · #15

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

... and there'd be a lot more shoehorning due to much more space to explain an image. The image shouldn't need an accompanying explanation. JMO

Art is "shoehorning"! ;-)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/24/2009 09:14:18 PM · #16

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
... and there'd be a lot more shoehorning due to much more space to explain an image. The image shouldn't need an accompanying explanation. JMO

Art is "shoehorning"! ;-)

I won't tell him if you don't. ;o)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

01/24/2009 09:48:44 PM · #17

I have yet to see anyone offer a rational, cogent, objective explanation of the difference between a "shoehorned image" and a "creative interpretation" of the topic. I get really tired of the intimation that just because a commenter didn't think of some particular way of photographically expressing the topic, that all other interpretations are somehow illegitimate or "wrong."

Originally posted by The Voting Rules::

You Should: keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/24/2009 10:04:02 PM · #18

Originally posted by GeneralE:

That's all well and good, just don't use the title to explain the image. This is what I refer to as shoehorning. If we open it up to allow an image description as well as a title then we open the door for campaigning for votes.

How about we run a challenge where the titles are hidden during voting.

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

01/24/2009 10:11:07 PM · #19

Originally posted by Ivo:

Sometimes a banana is just a banana, and sometimes a shoehorn is just a shoehorn.... :-)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/24/2009 10:11:32 PM · #20

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

That's all well and good, just don't use the title to explain the image.

What exactly does that mean? If by "explaining the image" you mean that the title helps you to see a relationship between the topic and the image that your didn't see before, well, wasn't that relationship there all along, but only that you failed to see it? I don't see what's wrong with "Oh, now I get it" ...

bobnospum

Sony Alpha a77 II

Tamron AF 70-200mm f/2.8 Di LD IF Macro Lens for Sony

01/24/2009 10:13:58 PM · #21

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Really... I'd always thought it was pretty simple. A shoehorn is an "creative interpretation" that is too far off the challenge topic to qualify as meeting the challenge. Of course this all part of each voters opinion, just like everything else having to do with challenges.

K3Master

Pentax K-3

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

01/24/2009 10:15:27 PM · #22

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Well, that's intimating that it's up to the commenter to connect to the photographer's intent, when it's really the photographer that has the onus to connect to the commenter.

If we're supposed to just take every interpretation at face value that it somehow connects to the challenge topic given, simply because the photographer entered it in that challenge, then how does it become different than a Free Study? It doesn't.

Be as out of the box crazy as you wish to be, but don't expect people to fall all over themselves understanding you, or pretending that you're some unsung genius because you've interpreted a tear drop on a deck of cards to mean "Reign of Kings".

Hmm, actually, that's a great idea.

Can we have a challenge called "Reign of Kings" now?

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/24/2009 10:38:15 PM · #23

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

That's all well and good, just don't use the title to explain the image. This is what I refer to as shoehorning.

No, that's called title-driven.....

Like this in Procrastination....

But the truth of the matter is that neither the image nor the title would have worked without the other.

Some are just hilarious, and title-driven:

And again.....they work well together.....

Some are complementary:

Personally, I very much enjoy titling my images......you can always just put a period in the box if you don't want to title your image.

01/24/2009 10:43:56 PM · #24

Jeb, are you showing off your bizarre ability to actually make thumbnails function in forum threads???? ;-)

Message edited by author 2009-01-24 22:44:15.

mikeee

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i