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04/26/2004 01:00:16 AM · #1 |
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.
I am just wondering what people would normally rate a good shot but one that doesn't meet the challenge topic in your opinion.
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04/26/2004 01:03:38 AM · #2 |
| You now have about 462 threads to research ... some people don't care and rate the photo based solely on how much they like it, and some folks give a photo they think misses the topic a one. Considering that there's actually very little dispute about where photos end up in the final listing, I'd guess most people are in between those extremes, in a standard bell-curve distribution. |
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04/26/2004 01:19:44 AM · #3 |
| But since he asked... I would give it a 1 |
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04/26/2004 01:23:01 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
But since he asked... I would give it a 1 |
I will never understand the voting here and have give up trying. |
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04/26/2004 01:25:34 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by peecee:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
But since he asked... I would give it a 1 |
I will never understand the voting here and have give up trying. |
Good idea. Figuring out the individual thought processes of 200+ people is a daunting task. |
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04/26/2004 01:28:20 AM · #6 |
I can tell you for certain, that the vote for an image that doesn't meet the challenge is 5.5, my current score and 1 comment :-D
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04/26/2004 01:50:54 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by peecee:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
But since he asked... I would give it a 1 |
I will never understand the voting here and have give up trying. |
Nothing hard to understand here... there is no option for zero. :) |
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04/26/2004 02:17:38 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by spiller:
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.
I am just wondering what people would normally rate a good shot but one that doesn't meet the challenge topic in your opinion. |
My system goes like this: a good (or even great) shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 4. An average shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 3. A poor shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 2. And a really lousy, god-awful shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 1.
When I vote, the first criteria is "Does it meet the challenge?" If it does, it is at least a 5. Then, depending on how good it is, it goes up from there. |
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04/26/2004 05:33:05 AM · #9 |
I think that an awful lot of people do downgrade their score if a photo does not meet a challenge, something I agree with. If I see a good photo but it obviously doesn't meet the challenge in a REALISTIC way then the most it will usually get would be a 5.
If I see one that can meet the challenge, but only by a real stretch (for instance there is no link with the photo at all, but the title tries to drag it into the challenge) it might lose 1 point only.
If I see a photo of a cat I ...... oops, no, forget I said anything ;)
I happen to like the challenge aspect of this place :)
A good example of why I think that a lot of people mark photos down would be the silhouettes challenge. I really like this photo and were it say a monthly challenge with no topic I would expect it to do fairly well, most certainly in the top 25% at least.
Where did it come this time .... last but one.
Why? I think because people voted it lower than they would as it was not a silhouette.
Message edited by author 2004-04-26 05:34:22.
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04/26/2004 05:44:51 AM · #10 |
Think of it this way...
I'm a teacher, and if I ask my students to write about what they did over summer vacation, but instead a student turns in a rather compelling essay on why she like cornflakes, I still can't give her a passing grade because she did not complete the assignment, no matter how good her essay was. Flunking starts at 50% or a 5 and goes down from there.
I might still praise her cornflake essay, but in order to be fair to the other students, I can't pass her for it. |
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04/26/2004 05:56:41 AM · #11 |
Good way of putting it Amanda.
Here though you'd get people bitching, as they'd say it was completely within the criteria as they wrote about cornflakes because:
I learned to love cornflakes on my holiday.
I visited the cornflake factory on my holiday.
I bought a new cat when I was holiday and called it Cornflake, so this is a tribute to it.
But holidays are all about eating cornflakes!
If people thought outside the box they would realise that the cornflake is the perfect representation of a holiday. People are just soooooo close minded! (#1 on the lame excuse list).
I found this cornflake on holiday and ....
Etc etc etc etc *yawn*
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04/26/2004 06:02:01 AM · #12 |
some people may think it doesnt meet the challenge but then are
they too narrow minded and thinking only laterally?
i give them the benefit of the doubt, if its a good
would give a 10 regardless
thats my two cents worth
i;m not a photographer........
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04/26/2004 06:03:17 AM · #13 |
I never got 'which one is heavier' the leaf didnt look that heavy,
although it was a good macro shot.
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04/26/2004 06:03:21 AM · #14 |
I shave "some" points off for missing the challenge, depending on how badly it misses (i.e. if it's a stretch then it might lose 1, if it's a picture of a dog in a "flowerpot" challenge it probably loses 3 or 4).
However, it's very noticeable that the "give it a 1 if I can possibly come up with a reason why it doesn't perfectly match MY vision of the challenge" brigade has become more substantial over time.
The logical conclusion for those who would vote down anything missing their "vision" of the challenge as a 1 must be that the most dreadful, blurry, out of focus, poorly composed, badly lit photograph should score at least an 8 if it matches the vision, as the "does not meet the challenge" appears to be everything... /shrug |
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04/26/2004 06:13:41 AM · #15 |
Depends on the challenge description, some challenges are very open for interpretation, some are not. I try to give a lot of flexibility for meeting the challenge, allow for different interpretations.
But if an image clearly does not meet the challenge theme in any way I can imagine, it does not get more than a 2 from me. A 2 for an otherwise top image (I remember a beautiful waterfall image in the fire challenge), a 1 for anything else.
I try to image a dpc challenge as a commercial assignment, for example a magazine, or a marketing department, or an advertising buro, is asking you to shoot an image matching the challenge theme. If you don't meet the brief you don't get the business, you don't get paid.
Very similar to the analogy of the summer vacation essay.
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04/26/2004 09:39:31 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by boomer:
Originally posted by spiller:
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.
I am just wondering what people would normally rate a good shot but one that doesn't meet the challenge topic in your opinion. |
My system goes like this: a good (or even great) shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 4. An average shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 3. A poor shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 2. And a really lousy, god-awful shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 1.
When I vote, the first criteria is "Does it meet the challenge?" If it does, it is at least a 5. Then, depending on how good it is, it goes up from there. |
That's exactly how I vote! |
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04/26/2004 09:42:31 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Originally posted by boomer:
Originally posted by spiller:
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.
I am just wondering what people would normally rate a good shot but one that doesn't meet the challenge topic in your opinion. |
My system goes like this: a good (or even great) shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 4. An average shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 3. A poor shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 2. And a really lousy, god-awful shot that doesn't meet the challenge gets a 1.
When I vote, the first criteria is "Does it meet the challenge?" If it does, it is at least a 5. Then, depending on how good it is, it goes up from there. |
That's exactly how I vote! |
Ditto.
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04/26/2004 10:28:50 AM · #18 |
Although some photos do not very clearly communicate how they meet the challenge, I have only seen TWO photos in my entire time here on DPC that did not meet the challenge.
That's right. TWO. In 88 challenges in which I've voted.
TWO.
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04/26/2004 10:43:18 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Although some photos do not very clearly communicate how they meet the challenge, I have only seen TWO photos in my entire time here on DPC that did not meet the challenge.
That's right. TWO. In 88 challenges in which I've voted.
TWO. |
Not meaning to sound facetious, but I think it's sort of like horoscopes; if you are open to suggestion, you can make any prediction suit yourself. That said, I don't see anything wrong with searching for the intended message/meaning in a photograph.
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04/26/2004 11:03:52 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by peecee:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
But since he asked... I would give it a 1 |
I will never understand the voting here and have give up trying. |
My thoughts exactly.
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04/26/2004 11:09:20 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by spiller:
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly.
I am just wondering what people would normally rate a good shot but one that doesn't meet the challenge topic in your opinion. |
I would rate a GREAT shot that doesn't meet the challenge with a very high score. A 'good' shot that does or doesn't meet the challenge isn't going to get a great score either way. A great shot that doesn't meet the challenge is very rare. I would estimate I see an average of 1 out of 2500 photos that falls into this category, if even that many.
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04/26/2004 11:21:08 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by boomer:
When I vote, the first criteria is "Does it meet the challenge?" If it does, it is at least a 5. |
even if it's very very very bad??? |
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04/26/2004 11:28:59 AM · #23 |
The trouble is, that there are shots that meet a challenge quite well, while only a minority of voters recognize this. On the other hand, some shots don't meet the challenge at all, yet many voters appear to see it differently.
A great shot will get a great score from me, regardless of what others may think.
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04/26/2004 11:42:35 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
The trouble is, that there are shots that meet a challenge quite well, while only a minority of voters recognize this. On the other hand, some shots don't meet the challenge at all, yet many voters appear to see it differently.
A great shot will get a great score from me, regardless of what others may think. |
exactly! ditto... |
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04/26/2004 11:50:13 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by basia03:
Originally posted by boomer:
When I vote, the first criteria is "Does it meet the challenge?" If it does, it is at least a 5. |
even if it's very very very bad??? |
Yep, even then. If it obviously met the challenge, it's going to get at least a five. Now, if by very, very, very bad you mean nothing's focused, the image is too small, there is a hideous border on it, and so on, then yes, I'll subtract some points from the five. But if the picture is clear and met the challenge, it starts out as a five.
That said, a 5 wouldn't be a passing grade on a vacation essay, nor would it earn someone a photo assignment from a magazine. |
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