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12/30/2008 03:12:38 PM · #1 |
Just a minor nitpick here... not really a rant per se...
I got tagged in a current challenge because I came up with the same idea as a couple of other folks. It was called "un-original" which is obviously not quite true and not something to be held against a photographer, is it? I mean, we didn't get together and come up with the idea and copy each other during the submission process.
Why is this called unoriginal when it happens, but when people repeatedly submit folded paper shots, water drops, etc... they never get tagged as being unoriginal (which is the same as saying copy-cat). No, they keep winning!
Just because two or more people had the same, yes, ORIGINAL idea during the same challenge does not make them unoriginal or copycats.
Sorry. Thanks for reading. :) :) :) |
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12/30/2008 03:21:15 PM · #2 |
Ignore it.... I defy anyone to come up with a unique image that has conceptually not been done by someone before. I forget who said this (and I might be making it up) but someone said there are only a handful of stories and all movies & plays are variations of the theme.
If it's new and fresh to you then enjoy is all I say.....
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12/30/2008 03:21:58 PM · #3 |
It IS kind of weird isn't it?
I guess their point is, that if several photographers independently "come up with" the same idea in response to the challenge, then none of them are being especially "original"? But by that standard easily 75% of the entries in most challenges should be tagged with the "unoriginal" label, including virtually everything I've ever submitted.
I mean, face it: art in general, and photography in particular, is a damned hard place to be "original". Go to a big museum some day and check out the repeating themes, right? And go to an avante-garde museum some day, and check out the ridiculous lengths artists have gone to in their attempts to stand out from the crowd (i.e. "be original"). All art, basically, is an evolution, a growth along established paths, with occasional offshoots heading into virgin territory, little of which turns out to be fertile.
I was surprised, actually, that nobody tagged me as "unoriginal" when mine was one of a half-dozen "White Christmas" entries in the recently-completed challenge. And yeah, you're right that if you want to go off on unoriginality, a first-rate target would be everyone who does the same shot over and over again, because it's a proven winner...
R.
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12/30/2008 03:24:30 PM · #4 |
All art is derivative. Except for  Art Roflmao. He's original...often imitated. Never duplicated. :)
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12/30/2008 03:25:39 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
...Why is this called unoriginal when it happens, but when people repeatedly submit folded paper shots, water drops, etc... they never get tagged as being unoriginal (which is the same as saying copy-cat). No, they keep winning! ... |
Actually, Kevin, the folder paper, water drops, etc, are repeatedly criticized -- at least in the forums -- as unoriginal. Nevertheless they have other qualities which please voters. |
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12/30/2008 03:26:22 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by robs:
someone said there are only a handful of stories and all movies & plays are variations of the theme. |
Yeah, and Shakespeare used them all :-)
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12/30/2008 03:26:59 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
All art is derivative. Except for Art Roflmao. He's original...often imitated. Never duplicated. :) |
LOL... Okay - Maybe I should change my prev reply... I am sure someone in the world has Godzilla burning villages.... just not sure the world is that big a place and I hope it's not on the same side of the globe as me :-)
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Yeah, and Shakespeare used them all :-) |
LOL... Yeah, I guess so!
Message edited by author 2008-12-30 15:27:52.
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12/30/2008 03:29:34 PM · #8 |
Strangely I thought this image wasn't all that original. I am surprised no one else tried it in the challenge.
Then again..I got the idea from this movie. Perhaps you've heard of it? Its all about pharmaceuticals from what I recall. (I remember something about pills I think...)
:)
Message edited by author 2008-12-30 15:30:02.
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12/30/2008 03:31:30 PM · #9 |
Thanks everyone... Sorry I was venting. I like my shot and I just really found it more-ironic (moronic?) that such would be said. :)
I guess it's like Scattergories where you only score points if someone else doesn't get the same word :) |
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12/30/2008 03:32:07 PM · #10 |
I'm quite likely one of those other "unoriginal" shots but haven't been tagged just yet.
As the saying goes "Nothing new under the sun." |
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12/30/2008 03:44:32 PM · #11 |
| Although I may make a comment stating "unoriginal" I would not take away anything from scoring. I believe that each shot is its own and deserves to be treated as such. Stating in a comment that it is "unoriginal" is just that...a comment, not something to necessarily be held against the shot. |
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12/30/2008 04:24:01 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Just a minor nitpick here... not really a rant per se...
Just because two or more people had the same, yes, ORIGINAL idea during the same challenge does not make them unoriginal or copycats.
Thanks for reading. :) :) :) |
I think an obvious idea can also be considered unoriginal. Certainly two different words but hopefully you get the drift.
I made a comment in the Asia score thread saying there was a lack of creativity in the entries. Brutally obvious choices were made for subject matter and IMO, it's a boring Challenge.
I guess another way the commentor could have phrased it may have been to say "you aren't a very original thinker"...hopefully with due respect. Also nothing to get be offended by, just look at it as a push to think outside of the box.
Again, with all due respect you're not alone. ;)
Message edited by author 2008-12-30 18:21:46. |
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12/30/2008 04:47:34 PM · #13 |
I'm original, there is only one of me, but all my photos are not!
I try to think of something different for each challenge, but unless it is so specific, then there is a good chance someone else has thought the same way.
It isn't really originality, but interpretation, that gives a photo its uniqueness. Ten people can look at a subject and you will get ten different photos, some will be alike, but there will always be one, perhaps two that take a different perspective and these look original, but in reality all ten are originals. If that makes any sense?? |
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12/30/2008 05:02:54 PM · #14 |
Maybe the commenter meant you didn't do enough to advance the concept? Give it a twist? Make it your own? That sort of thing. I don't buy the concept that everything has been done before. That's BS. What this boils down to is a lack of desire or effort. It's much easier to just punt on the idea and go straight to execution.
Lets take water drops for example. Rather than do what IreneM or that guy with the liquid sculpture website does with water try something else. I've never seen any one use water drops to mimic raindrops before, that is build a world around those water drops and not just give us a glass on a featureless backdrop. I've never seen water drops used in a way that interacts with anything other than water. When it rains does water only fall in puddles? No. They fall on everything. Open your eyes and observe the effects water has on everything around you. Surely there is something worth while capturing.
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12/30/2008 05:07:08 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
Strangely I thought this image wasn't all that original. I am surprised no one else tried it in the challenge.
Then again..I got the idea from this movie. Perhaps you've heard of it? Its all about pharmaceuticals from what I recall. (I remember something about pills I think...)
:) |
You mean like this?
Looks like I beat you by exactly 3 years and one day. Used the same title too. :) |
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12/30/2008 05:21:44 PM · #16 |
You guys must have saw my 2nd grade abstract painting. Thieves.
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12/30/2008 05:22:46 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Maybe the commenter meant you didn't do enough to advance the concept? Give it a twist? Make it your own? That sort of thing. I don't buy the concept that everything has been done before. That's BS. What this boils down to is a lack of desire or effort. It's much easier to just punt on the idea and go straight to execution.
Lets take water drops for example. Rather than do what IreneM or that guy with the liquid sculpture website does with water try something else. I've never seen any one use water drops to mimic raindrops before, that is build a world around those water drops and not just give us a glass on a featureless backdrop. I've never seen water drops used in a way that interacts with anything other than water. When it rains does water only fall in puddles? No. They fall on everything. Open your eyes and observe the effects water has on everything around you. Surely there is something worth while capturing. |
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12/30/2008 05:53:42 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Just a minor nitpick here... not really a rant per se...
Just because two or more people had the same, yes, ORIGINAL idea during the same challenge does not make them unoriginal or copycats.
Thanks for reading. :) :) :) |
I think an obvious idea can also be considered unoriginal. Certainly two different words but hopefully you get the drift.
I made a comment in the Asia score thread saying there was a lack of creativity in the entries. Britally obvious choices were made for subject matter and IMO, it's a boring Challenge.
I guess another way the commentor could have phrased it may have been to say "you aren't a very original thinker"...hopefully with due respect. Also nothing to get be offended by, just look at it as a push to think outside of the box.
Again, with all due respect you're not alone. ;) |
But you may, as I did, think I *WAS* thinking outside the box... but others were as well :) |
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12/30/2008 05:58:42 PM · #19 |
This is originality...
All it takes is a modicum of genius.
Stop rolling your damned eyes!
;)
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12/30/2008 06:12:23 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
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The comments are amusing.
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12/30/2008 06:26:40 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I guess another way the commenter could have phrased it may have been to say "you aren't a very original thinker"...hopefully with due respect. Also nothing to get be offended by, just look at it as a push to think outside of the box.
Again, with all due respect you're not alone. ;) |
But you may, as I did, think I *WAS* thinking outside the box... but others were as well :) |
Apparently, you thought wrong...in terms of being "out of the box".
Learn from from it. It's blunt but very helpful if you look at it the right way.
...and read Yanko's post. Good ideas there. Nothing worse than boring people with the same old stuff over and over.
Message edited by author 2008-12-30 18:34:32. |
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12/30/2008 08:11:24 PM · #22 |
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12/30/2008 09:41:21 PM · #23 |
why must it always be a spoon? what about forks? steak knifes? chopsticks? |
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12/30/2008 09:50:50 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Just a minor nitpick here... not really a rant per se...
I got tagged in a current challenge because I came up with the same idea as a couple of other folks. It was called "un-original" which is obviously not quite true and not something to be held against a photographer, is it? I mean, we didn't get together and come up with the idea and copy each other during the submission process.
Why is this called unoriginal when it happens, but when people repeatedly submit folded paper shots, water drops, etc... they never get tagged as being unoriginal (which is the same as saying copy-cat). No, they keep winning!
Just because two or more people had the same, yes, ORIGINAL idea during the same challenge does not make them unoriginal or copycats.
Sorry. Thanks for reading. :) :) :) |
Something to consider: Nobody 'called' your shot un-original. Comments made are more about the commenter than the photographer or the photograph. They have to be. Nobody knows what was in front of your lens, or in your mind, or in your heart, when you pressed the shutter release. Your commenter could have said "this shot creates an un-original reaction in me."
On the topic of originality--the people who do original work can't help it, it's just the way they think. They can't not be original (whatever that means). Maybe 'original' is nothing more than a label people try to stick on anything they don't expect, or understand. Maybe 'un-original' is a label for anything they feel like they can understand without effort. Like the pictures of Antelope Canyon, or Niagra Falls. Some subjects resist orignality, all a person can hope for is technical brilliance.
Besides, it's impossible to be original just by trying. You just end up looking foolish, like those avant-garde wanna-be's. That's my personal opinion & I'm stickin' to it! |
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12/30/2008 10:41:56 PM · #25 |
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