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04/20/2004 08:08:03 AM · #1
Dear friends,

I am so sorry to see my photo being disqualified. (Need for Speed - Red Ribbion in "Wheel" Challenge.

Need for Speed


According to the reply of dpchallenge's admin, my disqualification was due to

"No response received to request for original image.

We received several disqualification recommendations from your fellow
photographers and voters, and the DPChallenge administrators have confirmed that
your submission must be disqualified.


But I haven't received any notification email in last week. May be the request was only posted in the challenge forum.

I am not writing here to argue my place back. I am just writing to make it clear that my photo is original with NOT A BIT of Photoshop effect such as motion blur was applied. (As I guess those who consider my photo should be disqualified think I used motion blur...)

The original photo is so LARGE in size, thus I can't post it here. But I would very much like to invite friends in Dpchallenge to see some more sport photos in my web gallery which may somehow prove that I was not using PS effect.

Please excuse me if this post annoyed you. I just want to die clean~~ :P

Please see some of my Sport photos here:

Motorsport 1: //www.terenceyam.net/motorsport
Motorsport FIM Open 2003: //www.terenceyam.net/fim2003
2003 FIM-UAM Asian Motocross Championship: //www.terenceyam.net/2003amc

I am longing to share with you all the pleasure of photography. And I will surely enter Challenges in the future! I won't be detered by this disqualification.

Happy shooting,

Terence Yam (Terrentius)
20 April 2004

Message edited by author 2004-04-20 08:11:05.
04/20/2004 08:11:46 AM · #2
You can always res the original photo down and post it.
04/20/2004 08:15:36 AM · #3
I guess the fact that the file is from 2003 has nothing to do with it?
04/20/2004 08:17:09 AM · #4
Terence,

Didn't your photo place highly? Was it in the top 10? If so then you would automatically have to supply the original. If not then everytime you logged in I thought you had a message in the upper lefthand corner that alerted you that you needed to submit your original for verification.
Can someone who knows (SC or not) comment on the automated HTML message? Am I totally crazy or wasn't this recently implemented so that regardless of the reason the verification was needed (top 10 or DQ) a user should see a message in the upper lefthand side of the screen where the scores normally are?

Hate to hear it about this as I like the photo and your sports shots but I don't see what else the SC could have done. I think waiting a week for a response is a decent timeframe. I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Kev
04/20/2004 08:23:24 AM · #5
I don't think anybody questioned the use of Photoshop. The top photos are always verified by the Site Council. If they do not hear back from you after requesting the original, then the image is DQ'd. Perhaps you didn't get the email for whatever reason, but somebody mentioned in a forum here several days ago that you hadn't replied even though you were online- what else could the SC do? If you've one a ribbon, it's certainly in your best interest to be proactive. It's a great image, though, and I have no doubt that you'll have more.
04/20/2004 08:36:39 AM · #6
According to the EXIF data of your pic, it has beeen shot in 2002-07-05...
04/20/2004 08:39:42 AM · #7
Originally posted by qmdi:

You can always res the original photo down and post it.


Thanks~ qmdi
ar...Yes.. I have cropped the org photo a bit.
So may be the EXIF has been lost
04/20/2004 08:40:13 AM · #8
Originally posted by robsmith:

I guess the fact that the file is from 2003 has nothing to do with it?


Got it~~ That's a problem.
04/20/2004 08:52:09 AM · #9
Originally posted by doctornick:

According to the EXIF data of your pic, it has beeen shot in 2002-07-05...


I understand now~ I didn't notice there will be shoot tTime problem~~ :p
I am too lazy to read the rules~~ haha
I will pay attention in the coming challenge.
Thanks pal~

Message edited by author 2004-04-20 08:56:56.
04/20/2004 09:01:32 AM · #10
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:

Terence,

Didn't your photo place highly? Was it in the top 10? If so then you would automatically have to supply the original. If not then everytime you logged in I thought you had a message in the upper lefthand corner that alerted you that you needed to submit your original for verification.
Can someone who knows (SC or not) comment on the automated HTML message? Am I totally crazy or wasn't this recently implemented so that regardless of the reason the verification was needed (top 10 or DQ) a user should see a message in the upper lefthand side of the screen where the scores normally are?

Hate to hear it about this as I like the photo and your sports shots but I don't see what else the SC could have done. I think waiting a week for a response is a decent timeframe. I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Kev


Hi Kev,

By luck, my enter was rated the 2nd. I haven't visit dpchallenge.com in the last week. So I didn't see the notice. (May be that's the punishment for not visiting DPchallenge. Just Kidding~~)

I will be back~~~ :P
04/20/2004 09:04:20 AM · #11
Originally posted by scalvert:

I don't think anybody questioned the use of Photoshop. The top photos are always verified by the Site Council. If they do not hear back from you after requesting the original, then the image is DQ'd. Perhaps you didn't get the email for whatever reason, but somebody mentioned in a forum here several days ago that you hadn't replied even though you were online- what else could the SC do? If you've one a ribbon, it's certainly in your best interest to be proactive. It's a great image, though, and I have no doubt that you'll have more.


:P I didn't visit this site for a week. I was overwhelmed by the fact of winning the prize. See you soon~
04/20/2004 09:22:06 AM · #12
Actually, I believe you had been logged into the site since the end of the challenge. Also, how is it you rec'd the disqualification notice and not the request for proof.
Sorry. That doesn't fly with me.
There is also a little check box that, when clicked upon submission of a challenge entry, that indicates you have read and understand the rules.

In any case, I hope you and others will read and understand the rules of the challenges from here on out.
04/20/2004 09:24:17 AM · #13
Maybe 48h. is a little too short timeframe?

It means in fact you have to check your DPC account (or associated mail) almost dayly without missing a single one.

You cannot even spend a whole week on celebrating your ribbon as Terrentius did !! lol!

Carlos.
04/20/2004 09:43:20 AM · #14
Originally posted by KarenB:

Actually, I believe you had been logged into the site since the end of the challenge. Also, how is it you rec'd the disqualification notice and not the request for proof.
Sorry. That doesn't fly with me.
There is also a little check box that, when clicked upon submission of a challenge entry, that indicates you have read and understand the rules.

In any case, I hope you and others will read and understand the rules of the challenges from here on out.


Hi pal~
I reentered this site....hmm.....yesterday (Monday) I think. I noticed my disqualification but no notification message. But nevermind, my intention to enter the challenge is to share with you all my own photos and receive "no-mercy" comments in order to improve my skills. All the support and comment I got from the dpchallenge fellows are already my greatest prize.

Message edited by author 2004-04-20 09:49:27.
04/20/2004 09:43:56 AM · #15
Sorry to hear your shot got DQ'd terrentius.. yep, READ THE RULES NEXT TIME! :D

04/20/2004 09:44:40 AM · #16
Your entry is supposed to be taken during the week of the challenge - as your picture was taken last year, there doesn't seem to be much need to verify it ?
04/20/2004 09:51:43 AM · #17
Originally posted by Gordon:

Your entry is supposed to be taken during the week of the challenge - as your picture was taken last year, there doesn't seem to be much need to verify it ?


I understand. I better read thru the rules now~~ :P
04/20/2004 09:59:38 AM · #18
Originally posted by josevillacorte:

Sorry to hear your shot got DQ'd terrentius.. yep, READ THE RULES NEXT TIME! :D


I will~~~ Test me next time~~ :DDDD
04/20/2004 12:49:40 PM · #19
You die dirty.
04/20/2004 01:42:16 PM · #20
Also, if you use an email filter, make certain it is not confusing DPC mail for spam. Most filtering programs allow a domain to be white listed so messages from there are always allowed through.

David
04/20/2004 02:34:17 PM · #21
You've been around DPChallenge for 2 years, and you haven't read the rules??? You've entered several challenges, in which case each time you had to tick the box saying you've read the rules, but you haven't read the rules??? You say you haven't logged in, but the SC can check the logs and verifies that you have??? Seems a bit fishy to me. Now you're posting lots of happy responses with lots of smiley faces - basically you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, so to speak. Personally, I think all your past entries should be brought in to question.

To answer or clear up a couple of points above: 1) yes, there is now a message on your home page when verification is requested, so every time you come to DPC you should see it. 2) you don't have to log in to DPC to find that you've had a verification or DQ request, you recieve a notice by e-mail. Again, that's in the rules - you have to have a valid, working email account which you can check for validation requests.

I have to guess at this point no verification was sent because it was known it would not pass.... :(
04/20/2004 11:39:01 PM · #22
Originally posted by Britannica:

Also, if you use an email filter, make certain it is not confusing DPC mail for spam. Most filtering programs allow a domain to be white listed so messages from there are always allowed through.

David


I have checked my junk mail record in hotmail and found the notification letter. I have set dpchallenge newsletter to my safe list.
But the notification letter was sent with a different email~
Anyway, it's my problem for not following the rules.
04/20/2004 11:51:09 PM · #23
Originally posted by ScottK:

You've been around DPChallenge for 2 years, and you haven't read the rules??? You've entered several challenges, in which case each time you had to tick the box saying you've read the rules, but you haven't read the rules??? You say you haven't logged in, but the SC can check the logs and verifies that you have??? Seems a bit fishy to me.


Calm down~ I have said it in the very first place that the reason of I posted this reply is because I thought my disqualification was due to Photoshop Effect. I just don't want people think I have done cheating editing.

Since my enter was disqualified due to shooting time problem, I fully accept the arrangement. Since many photo contests, as I know, don't consider the shooting time, but the photo itself. And I haven't received any disqualification for my previous photos. (The admin could check my record and delete them all.) So it made me think that this rule is not serious.)

I got to be very lucky to be able to squeeze some spare time to take photos that suits the topic. Life as an employee is difficult~~

Rds,

Terence

04/20/2004 11:54:07 PM · #24
This rule is very serious. All of them are. We expect 100% compliance with the rules by all participants. This just happens to be the first time the violation has come to our attention.

One of the main things that separates DPChallenge from other contest sites is the date limitation. It levels the playing field by ensuring that newer photographers can compete against those with years of archived photos.

In fact, repeat violations of the date rule have resulted in suspensions. We expect that you will take this opportunity to read the rules, and comply with them going forward. Also, if you have any current entries in the challenge which, upon review, you feel violate the rules, now is a good time to call them to our attention (privately, of course).

-Terry

Message edited by author 2004-04-20 23:57:02.
04/21/2004 01:04:39 AM · #25
Originally posted by terrentius:

Originally posted by robsmith:

I guess the fact that the file is from 2003 has nothing to do with it?


Got it~~ That's a problem.


I think everyone should lay off of the guy, he clearly didn't try to cheat on purpose since the date (2003) was on the picture itself (also a violation of the rules :). He's just "guilty" of not reading the rules, but such a strong reaction to his mistake is not warranted in my opinion. Give him a break.
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