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11/20/2008 07:40:57 PM · #1 |
I have been inspired from some great droplet work from  IreneM, for example. But lately I started to notice a surge in such shots. They are great to reproduce, and learn from. But not just that... they almost always score fairly well too, if decently done.
So, do you think they are overrated on DPC?
Message edited by author 2008-11-20 19:41:27. |
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11/20/2008 07:43:00 PM · #2 |
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11/20/2008 07:44:17 PM · #3 |
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11/20/2008 07:48:15 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I plead the fifth. |
Eheheheheh. |
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11/20/2008 07:51:06 PM · #5 |
| It's like they have everyone mesmerized. "Oooo, pretty water shot. Must vote high." |
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11/20/2008 08:22:32 PM · #6 |
its a good trick to learn and teaches you a lot about timing... when i did those shots with my 400d i noticed a shutter lag that meant i could time my shots better when i came to be shooting sports.
as for them being overrated? Hell no, they get marked down because DPC ppl have seen it all a million times. |
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11/20/2008 08:28:15 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Marc923:
It's like they have everyone mesmerized. "Oooo, pretty water shot. Must vote high." |
yeh i agree. i was inspired by Irenes photos as well and my photo scored ok, i thought it deserved a much higher score though. i feel it didnt score as well because people are just getting sick of these photos. oh well, maybe its for the best |
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11/20/2008 08:28:18 PM · #8 |
| The same people who complain "overdone" and "cliche" will turn around and give you a ten and a favorite. |
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11/20/2008 08:53:46 PM · #9 |
that's a pretty wild assumption.
Either way, it's their choice. Some waterdrop shots blew me away but after a while a drop is a drop is a drop.
Damn DPC, desensitised me... |
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11/20/2008 09:00:08 PM · #10 |
I think there are WAY to many of them. It's sad to see new idea's or someone venturing out with something new and it get shot down because it doesn't have that DPC image affect to it. If you notice a lot of the images in the top 10 are usually about the same.
That's all I'll say about it now because we all have our own opinions and that one is mine. Besides I'm sure it won't be long before this thread gets moved over to the rant section.
Message edited by author 2008-11-20 21:02:27.
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11/20/2008 09:18:03 PM · #11 |
the trick is to take a DIFFERENT type of water drop shot
that stops traffic
if you use the same set up /the same dynamics as everybody else -
they will look somewhat ho hum
do something differerent & you have a crowd (oh & make sure it's pretty too ;)
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11/20/2008 09:20:27 PM · #12 |
ooo  ralph, you have inspired me to take a 'new' water drop shot. thanks:) |
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11/20/2008 09:56:43 PM · #13 |
I wouldn't mind seeing more water drop shots or wine glasses, if people would actually put more thought into them. It seems all of the effort is just spent on learning how to backlight and stop the motion but little on making it more engaging, more thought provoking and original.
These types of shots tend to have a short shelf life so you need to keep pushing the envelope to keep it fresh. Copying is the worst thing you can do but since it's the easiest path to a good score and possible ribbon most choose to do just that. If you're going to copy anything just copy the technique behind your favorite photographs but then go out and create something new with it and don't just rely on the trick itself. In other words, have something to say. Take a look at some of  Davenit's recent uploads. He uses the same backlighting, the same crisp stop motion and even the same objects yet they stand out, they are different and in many ways have something to say. That's what it's all about.
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11/20/2008 10:11:34 PM · #14 |
I thought mine was creative! But I'll openly admit Irene was my inspiration to even try this kind of shot!
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11/20/2008 10:49:21 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
I thought mine was creative! But I'll openly admit Irene was my inspiration to even try this kind of shot!
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Yeah that's pretty nice. I like the concept.
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11/20/2008 11:24:08 PM · #16 |
I just read the description for the Backlighting challenge:
"you should not include wine or drinking glasses in your entry."
There goes my first idea:-)
ETA: spell check.
Message edited by author 2008-11-21 02:50:20. |
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11/20/2008 11:42:38 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Prash:
I just read the desciption for the Backlighting challenge:
"you should not include wine or drinking glasses in your entry."
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I hadn't realised that - was it added since the announcement? It should be a flagged challenge, with that proviso. (Not that I was going to use such a subject...) |
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11/21/2008 05:30:26 AM · #18 |
Having recently shot a water drop, I understand people's dislike of seeing them. I received several comments of people unimpressed by yet another water drop. But it did confuse me when shortly after that Irene pulled out a blue ribbon for a water drop on a coin in the money challenge. I still rather like water drops when done well, and I think everyone should do one for the sake of education. My pet peeve is long exposure shots of water flowing down a stream. I am so tired of them I don't vote for them because I don't think I can be objective.
We all have our pet peeves though: woodies, wine glasses, HDR, triangular red roofed huts in Iceland, etc... |
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11/21/2008 05:37:28 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by aplomb76:
We all have our pet peeves though: woodies, wine glasses, HDR, triangular red roofed huts in Iceland, etc... |
So I'm guessing my HDR idea of a woodie dropping drops of water into a wine glass outside a red hut in Iceland isn't going to go down well in free study then ... I better come up with something else ;) |
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11/21/2008 06:49:37 AM · #20 |
| Red hut is OK. Just not a red roofed hut. |
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11/21/2008 08:42:05 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I wouldn't mind seeing more water drop shots or wine glasses, if people would actually put more thought into them. It seems all of the effort is just spent on learning how to backlight and stop the motion but little on making it more engaging, more thought provoking and original.
These types of shots tend to have a short shelf life so you need to keep pushing the envelope to keep it fresh. Copying is the worst thing you can do but since it's the easiest path to a good score and possible ribbon most choose to do just that. If you're going to copy anything just copy the technique behind your favorite photographs but then go out and create something new with it and don't just rely on the trick itself. In other words, have something to say. Take a look at some of Davenit's recent uploads. He uses the same backlighting, the same crisp stop motion and even the same objects yet they stand out, they are different and in many ways have something to say. That's what it's all about. |
Damn, those are amazing ... thanks for sharing! Hopefully they can be an inspiration to those who aim to do water drop shots ... |
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11/21/2008 09:17:42 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by aplomb76:
...But it did confuse me when shortly after that Irene pulled out a blue ribbon for a water drop on a coin in the money challenge.... |
I've noticed that some folks enter a shot and it does average. Then one of the popular kids enters the same kind of shot and gets a ribbon. |
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11/21/2008 09:33:55 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by yanko:
These types of shots tend to have a short shelf life so you need to keep pushing the envelope to keep it fresh. Copying is the worst thing you can do but since it's the easiest path to a good score and possible ribbon most choose to do just that. If you're going to copy anything just copy the technique behind your favorite photographs but then go out and create something new with it and don't just rely on the trick itself. In other words, have something to say. Take a look at some of Davenit's recent uploads. He uses the same backlighting, the same crisp stop motion and even the same objects yet they stand out, they are different and in many ways have something to say. That's what it's all about. |
I missed this when I first read the thread. Very good point.
Message edited by author 2008-11-21 09:34:11. |
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11/21/2008 09:37:08 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Marc923:
Originally posted by aplomb76:
...But it did confuse me when shortly after that Irene pulled out a blue ribbon for a water drop on a coin in the money challenge.... |
I've noticed that some folks enter a shot and it does average. Then one of the popular kids enters the same kind of shot and gets a ribbon. |
That's because they are just that bit more crisp / sharp / vibrant / clear etc etc, it can't be anything to do with the person |
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11/21/2008 10:42:53 AM · #25 |
A beautiful image is a beautiful image.
jmart and I have an idea that has been suggested before in the Challenge Suggestion forum but is worth mentioning here.
Why don't we create a side challenge, or an official one, called something like; Create a typical DPC glass or liquid image, or just any typical DPC image that wins ribbons that many people seem to frown on for the sole reason that it has been done before.
According to many here on this site these shots are easy to do and involve very little skill so why not put your money where your mouth is and show us how you can recreate a beautiful glass, liquid or any other typical image that gets a thumbs down because it was done before.
Who's in? :) |
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