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09/12/2008 08:11:51 AM · #1
We have been discussing the minimal editing rules on another thread, and I would like to clarify whether sharpening can be done more than once after resizing.
09/12/2008 08:50:21 AM · #2
No.

...or Yes. :-/ I was thinking of multiple resize, which is definitely not allowed. I don't think multiple sharpening was [i]intended to be allowed, but the rules currently only specify the tool.[/i]

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 08:55:12.
09/12/2008 08:52:40 AM · #3
Thank you!
09/12/2008 08:56:30 AM · #4
Nothing like muddy water!
09/12/2008 08:58:16 AM · #5
Originally posted by scalvert:

No.

...or Yes. :-/ I was thinking of multiple resize, which is definitely not allowed. I don't think multiple sharpening was [i]intended to be allowed, but the rules currently only specify the tool.[/i]


Are you messing with our heads again Mr Cheater?
09/12/2008 08:59:48 AM · #6
I've been looking for an example, but I'm pretty sure we had instances where people did sharpen more than once. By the rules, I don't see anything that prohibits doing it multiple times.
09/12/2008 09:01:11 AM · #7
Originally posted by alanfreed:

I've been looking for an example, but I'm pretty sure we had instances where people did sharpen more than once. By the rules, I don't see anything that prohibits doing it multiple times.


Here you go.

Actually we may need verification from SC on that.

The rules state -

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sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.

It doesn't specify that you are only allowed to do it once, and yet I remember this image of Scalvert's got DQ'ed for Sharpening more than once, although it may be the type of Sharpening he applied on the second round of Sharpening.



Have the rules changed since then?
09/12/2008 09:12:47 AM · #8
Originally posted by Judi:


It doesn't specify that you are only allowed to do it once, and yet I remember this image of Scalvert's got DQ'ed for Sharpening more than once, although it may be the type of Sharpening he applied on the second round of Sharpening.



Have the rules changed since then?


Nope. It was DQ'd for what we call "step resizing", going down from full size to 640 in more than one step.

R.
09/12/2008 09:14:27 AM · #9
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It was DQ'd for what we call "step resizing", going down from full size to 640 in more than one step.

That, and temporary insanity.
09/12/2008 09:18:18 AM · #10
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It was DQ'd for what we call "step resizing", going down from full size to 640 in more than one step.

That, and temporary insanity.


Hey you finally admitted...now you can't take it back.

(...now to get him to admit to full insanity.....hmmmmm!)
09/12/2008 09:20:05 AM · #11
Originally posted by Judi:

(...now to get him to admit to full insanity.....hmmmmm!)

Sanity doesn't wear a jester hat.
09/12/2008 09:21:18 AM · #12
Here's an easy question... Is "Smart Sharpen" in CS3 allowed? (Thanks for your patience.)

09/12/2008 09:22:59 AM · #13
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Here's an easy question... Is "Smart Sharpen" in CS3 allowed? (Thanks for your patience.)


And an easy answer: "Absolutely NOT!"

R.
09/12/2008 09:30:18 AM · #14
Hey SC....question for you.....why is there always a bombardment of questions when New Challenges get announced, when Challenges are in voting, when Challenges finish voting....oh and of course...when new challenges and rules are discussed.....hehehehehe!!!

Aren't you all glad you are on the SC board....(running away before Scalvert gets me).....hehehehe!!!

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 09:30:46.
09/12/2008 09:30:54 AM · #15
Thanks Bear, I thought not, but had to ask. :-)
09/12/2008 09:31:53 AM · #16
Judi, who let you out of your cage?
;-)
09/12/2008 09:32:24 AM · #17
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Judi, who let you out of your cage?
;-)


Scalvert did.....HONEST!!!!!
09/12/2008 09:58:01 AM · #18
Originally posted by chaimelle:

We have been discussing the minimal editing rules on another thread, and I would like to clarify whether sharpening can be done more than once after resizing.


scalvert said "NO", but it says that nowhere in the rules. What is the basis for that?

Step resizing would be out because you can only resize once, so they have already prevented that. But there is nothing to prevent multiple sharpens.
09/12/2008 10:04:07 AM · #19
Hi, the rules don't say how many times you can rotate your image. It says you can rotate 90/180/270, but if I want to rotate it twice at 90 instead of once at 180 is that allowed? Does anyone know? I really need clarification on this. Also what if you rotate it 180 and then want to rotate it back by 90, the rules only specify positive numbers so is it not allowed to rotate counterclockwise? Please someone clarify!!!
09/12/2008 10:08:05 AM · #20
Originally posted by violinist123:

Hi, the rules don't say how many times you can rotate your image. It says you can rotate 90/180/270, but if I want to rotate it twice at 90 instead of once at 180 is that allowed? Does anyone know? I really need clarification on this. Also what if you rotate it 180 and then want to rotate it back by 90, the rules only specify positive numbers so is it not allowed to rotate counterclockwise? Please someone clarify!!!

If I were you, I'd play it safe and only rotate 90/180/270. Any more than that and you'll just make me dizzy anyway.
09/12/2008 10:11:50 AM · #21
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by chaimelle:

We have been discussing the minimal editing rules on another thread, and I would like to clarify whether sharpening can be done more than once after resizing.


scalvert said "NO", but it says that nowhere in the rules. What is the basis for that?

Step resizing would be out because you can only resize once, so they have already prevented that. But there is nothing to prevent multiple sharpens.


He amended his statement, agrees that is not prohibited by the rules as written.

R.
09/12/2008 10:14:32 AM · #22
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by violinist123:

Hi, the rules don't say how many times you can rotate your image. It says you can rotate 90/180/270, but if I want to rotate it twice at 90 instead of once at 180 is that allowed? Does anyone know? I really need clarification on this. Also what if you rotate it 180 and then want to rotate it back by 90, the rules only specify positive numbers so is it not allowed to rotate counterclockwise? Please someone clarify!!!

If I were you, I'd play it safe and only rotate 90/180/270. Any more than that and you'll just make me dizzy anyway.


I presume the original was a joke, LOL. But on the off chance that it's not, it's pretty simple: the rule allows rotation only in 90 degree increments. As long as you stick to those increments, how can it possibly matter how many times you rotate?

Incidentally, the "obvious" purpose of the rule is to allow you to correctly orient a shot made in vertical composition, since by design all our sensors are horizontal...

R.
09/12/2008 11:37:24 AM · #23
what the heck is the point in step resizing? just shrink the image to the specs you want it at :-P as the rules state ONCE :-)

as for rotating an image -- the numbers provided in degrees will allow for your image to look correct :-P :-) but if you really want to keep it simple...just shoot it without turning your camera upside-down or vertical ;) :-D then you wont' need to rotate or worry about rotate :-P :-) its not like you can crop anyway so think of that while you're taking your pics!!! :-D

darn now i'm thinking if I want to enter this challenge or not just for the silliness of doing it ;)

09/12/2008 12:23:23 PM · #24
Originally posted by Love6:

what the heck is the point in step resizing? ...

Minimize "jaggies" perhaps? :-)
09/12/2008 12:33:47 PM · #25
I might be to prevent "tweaking" the angle a few degrees to correct for hand held camera lean.

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

[quote=Strikeslip] [quote=violinist123]
I presume the original was a joke, LOL. But on the off chance that it's not, it's pretty simple: the rule allows rotation only in 90 degree increments. As long as you stick to those increments, how can it possibly matter how many times you rotate?

Incidentally, the "obvious" purpose of the rule is to allow you to correctly orient a shot made in vertical composition, since by design all our sensors are horizontal...

R.
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