overexposure vs high contrast...

09/03/2008 10:06:05 PM · #1

same? different?

maybe I should wait until voting is over.... oh well... just some thoughts going through my head...

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/03/2008 10:32:19 PM · #2

anyone?

Oich

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

09/03/2008 10:34:32 PM · #3

I can't say much...I'm being DNMCed like crazy...image is getting a 4.0x ;)

HarryY

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

09/03/2008 10:43:30 PM · #4

Yeah I couldn't really say either, also getting creamed...

4.1xx

I think I will take more time over the next challenge

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/03/2008 10:44:56 PM · #5

Overexposed shots can be high key.
High key shots can be overexposed.

Not all overexposed shots are high key.
Not all high key shots are overexposed.

09/03/2008 10:48:29 PM · #6

i am still confused about Overexposure vs High contrast... wouldn't a very high contrast pic be considered overexposed? ... I just saw several entries and i was confused about then when i was voting on them

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/03/2008 10:49:34 PM · #7

So, if the original shot was overexposed, before processing it to be high contrast, then it's still overexposed...

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/03/2008 11:38:30 PM · #8

Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:

I would consider overexposure to occur when you lose detail you would otherwise have in the highlights. A picture of a black and white checkerboard, while very high contrast, would not be overexposed as you would not lose any detail in the whites.

Just my opinion though.

09/03/2008 11:39:38 PM · #9

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:
i am still confused about Overexposure vs High contrast... wouldn't a very high contrast pic be considered overexposed? ... I just saw several entries and i was confused about then when i was voting on them

I would consider overexposure to occur when you lose detail you would otherwise have in the highlights. A picture of a black and white checkerboard, while very high contrast, would not be overexposed as you would not lose any detail in the whites.

Just my opinion though.

It's about as clear as one is ever going to get. I like it.

bspurgeon

Fujifilm x100

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

09/03/2008 11:48:15 PM · #10

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Agreed. For me, I was looking for images in the challenge that had very little detail in the highlights, but maintained good contrast and midtone detail in the subject.

09/03/2008 11:55:35 PM · #11

thanks! that clears it up perfectly =)

ok thanks everyone... i shall further discuss the photo i was referring to after voting has finished... =)

i'll post it here and discuss it when the results are in

09/04/2008 12:00:27 AM · #12

i looked over the entries again, and it seems that quite a few people weren't sure what overexposed meant OR they did, but didn't know how to make an overexposed picture look good... that was the hardest problem I had too...

Lots of people are complaining about low scores... there are some clear winners in there though...

09/04/2008 12:03:26 AM · #13

Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:

The more I read these threads and follow these challenges, the more I'm surprised at how few people actually do any real research into the terms used in these challenges and into photography terms in general. To me, a challenge is more than just throwing in a photo and hoping the people of the site tell you what is wrong, it's also about getting a challenge topic and doing what you can to understand it enough.

Of course, the fewer people that actually understand it, the weirder the voting is going to remain as well. What a conundrum!

09/04/2008 12:03:26 AM · #14

*EDIT* weird double post.

Message edited by author 2008-09-04 00:03:44.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

09/04/2008 12:06:26 AM · #15

yea... if the voters don't know what overexposed means, then they may go "Man, this pic is way overexposed,, it Sucks!!! hmmm i'm going to give it a 3"

hahahha

random idea, there should be a challenge titled "worst photo" or "Pure amature photo" where we take the worst pic we can, so the voting would like reverse direction... hahaha that would be sweeeeet!

levyj413

Nikon D7100

09/04/2008 12:21:21 AM · #16

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Yep. Most people just want to take and enter pictures without having to do research. I'm pretty much one of 'em.

However, I can assure you there's no detail in the highlights in my entry. :)

scrybz

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/04/2008 01:44:37 AM · #17

I'm pretty sure it means that details are blown out in the highlights.

If they meant the whole image has to be overexposed than every entry would look like this:

kellyo

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM

09/04/2008 08:36:32 AM · #18

"Overexposed for its effectiveness" - is the part of the description I think is important. Not just overexposed to get a lot of white space or to turn a regular picture into a high key pic. Does the overexposed portion of the photo add to the mood or drama or some other aspect of the photo to make it more "effective"? Then it's a winner. I'm not scoring low for DNMC anything in this challenge - pretty much all the entries have some overexposure - just noting what, to me, is deserving of the high scores.

geinafets

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

09/04/2008 10:04:01 AM · #19

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

For me, I was looking for images in the challenge that had very little detail in the highlights, but maintained good contrast and midtone detail in the subject.

Why should the image need to maintain detail and contrast in the midtones? To do that, one must only overexpose only a little, but if you overexposed a lot to get a different mood, a lack of contrast in overexposed midtones can still be effective.

bvy

Sigma DP1x

09/04/2008 10:39:43 AM · #20

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Overexposed shots can be high key.
High key shots can be overexposed.

Not all overexposed shots are high key.
Not all high key shots are overexposed.

I need a Venn diagram.

Donna21

Fujifilm FinePix S9000

09/04/2008 10:47:39 AM · #21

Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:

random idea, there should be a challenge titled "worst photo" or "Pure amature photo" where we take the worst pic we can, so the voting would like reverse direction... hahaha that would be sweeeeet!

How about "Snapshot: Take a shot that looks like your neighbor's 6 year old just got a camera for his/her birthday"

I could ribbon in that one!

smurfguy

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/04/2008 10:59:42 AM · #22

Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Overexposed shots can be high key.
High key shots can be overexposed.

Not all overexposed shots are high key.
Not all high key shots are overexposed.

I need a Venn diagram.

Sorry, Langdon doesn't seem provide forum code tags for a Courier font ([pre], [code], etc), or I'd whip up some sweet text art for you. =)

I was going to do another one like this for overexposed, but just didn't get the chance:

bspurgeon

Fujifilm x100

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

09/04/2008 12:01:56 PM · #23

Originally posted by geinafets:

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

For me, I was looking for images in the challenge that had very little detail in the highlights, but maintained good contrast and midtone detail in the subject.

Why should the image need to maintain detail and contrast in the midtones? To do that, one must only overexpose only a little, but if you overexposed a lot to get a different mood, a lack of contrast in overexposed midtones can still be effective.

It does not, just what I what I was looking for.

09/10/2008 12:10:01 AM · #24

ok... here is my "overexposed Pic" that was also high contrast... is it not also overexposed???