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06/29/2008 03:13:57 PM · #1
This was shot down in a river gorge yesterday.

It was shot at ISO 200,f/2.8 using a Tamron 28-75mm at 45mm's,shutter was 1/80 sec.

Was the shutter too slow?

Original @ 100%


Edit @ 100%


Thank you
Bruce
06/29/2008 03:17:34 PM · #2
1/80 th is pretty slow for a hand-held shot.

Dick
06/29/2008 03:19:13 PM · #3
The image is blurry, the white balance is off, and the highlights are blown out in the edited version.
06/29/2008 03:23:37 PM · #4
Where the blur came from is my main concern. The rest is edit frustration trying to "make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t"

My abilities not the model.

Message edited by author 2008-06-29 15:24:24.
06/29/2008 03:38:26 PM · #5
1/80 at 45mm should be okay if your hands are steady and the subject isn't moving at all. Otherwise...

It's hard to tell where the lens was focused. Is it possible that your subject was too close for the minimum focusing distance of the lens?

06/29/2008 04:00:20 PM · #6
She was far enough away , maybe 10ft , focus was right on her right eye. Could it be that she moved or is this a issue of shooting wide open?
06/29/2008 04:04:12 PM · #7
Everything in the crop you showed looks blurry. My bet is that you moved - the background looks like it was shaken as well. How about others shots? Was this the only one that was blurry, or are they all blurry?

Originally posted by Blind_squirrel:

She was far enough away , maybe 10ft , focus was right on her right eye. Could it be that she moved or is this a issue of shooting wide open?
06/29/2008 04:22:09 PM · #8
Two things could help, higher ISO like 320 may allow you 125/s speed.

1) Please correct me, (I may be wrong), at the same time a longer exposure will allow more light/colors to "sink in" preventing highlights from being "blown-out".

2) using an off camera "fill-in" flash and even bounced off a lumiquest reflector. That would allow the background colors to fill in and "Freeze" any movement.

If you're using Auto-Focus, be sure the camera is done focusing. And that the camera settings are set to not trip the shutter until it is Auto-Focusing. I know Nikon has such setings.
06/29/2008 04:24:45 PM · #9
This is an unedited shot with the same setting's except it's at 75mm's at 1/125.

We are supposed to spend a day next weekend shooting on the river again. I just don't want to waste her time.

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Thank's for the help.
I know it's Sunday but I have to go to work.
Bruce
06/29/2008 04:33:47 PM · #10
whats your in camera sharpness set at? if 0 bump it up to 2 or 3
06/29/2008 05:18:18 PM · #11
Originally posted by Blind_squirrel:

She was far enough away , maybe 10ft , focus was right on her right eye. Could it be that she moved or is this a issue of shooting wide open?

At 10’, she was well within the minimum focusing distance of the lens. Shooting at large apertures does decrease DOF, but my guess is either she moved or you moved. I say this because even with a very shallow DOF, something should be in focus, and I don’t see anything in focus in your photo.

If you need/want to shoot hand held, then I suggest a faster shutter speed, even if you have to use a higher ISO. A tripod and remote shutter release would let you keep the same ISO (if she holds still long enough for you to get the shot).


Make sure that you don't bump the focus ring when you take the shot. If you're using auto-focus, keep your hand off the lens. If you're focusing manually, take your hand off the lens after you set the focus.


Message edited by author 2008-06-29 17:23:55.
06/29/2008 05:51:08 PM · #12
I hope you don't mind, but I played with the skin tones a bit in your last photo. On the left is the unedited version, and on the right is the adjusted version.



I converted to CMYK and then reduced the amount of yellow and added just a smidge of magenta. I could have reduced the amount of cyan a little too, but I decided it looked pretty good like this.

Here's a good article on skin tones: Getting Great Prints: Pleasing skin tone


06/29/2008 07:04:56 PM · #13
Originally posted by Blind_squirrel:


Was the shutter too slow?


Yes.
06/30/2008 12:35:21 AM · #14
Good Morning

I just got home from work and would like to thank the one's who gave advice on possible solutions for my problems.

This site has forced me to push my limits beyond what is a "good picture" to making a "good photograph".

Before

After


Thank you
Bruce
06/30/2008 12:38:04 AM · #15
Originally posted by Blind_squirrel:

Good Morning

I just got home from work and would like to thank the one's who gave advice on possible solutions for my problems.

This site has forced me to push my limits beyond what is a "good picture" to making a "good photograph".

Before

After


Thank you
Bruce


i have heard that when doing handheld shots you shouldn't go any slower than 1/100 but i dont knwo how true that is....oh and *ahem* more of this lovely model please
06/30/2008 02:51:55 AM · #16
I've found that in a lot of cases the quick and easy way to tell if it's motion blur or focus is look at the catchlights in the eyes. In the first example see how they're longer than they should be, almost doubled?
The second one seems better, so maybe that one was focus?

And in editing it seems that taking out that extra bit of catchlight makes a big difference to the overall look. The eye tends to accept the blur on the rest more as softness if it's only a wee bit, as long as the eyes look right. Often I work one or two pixels at a time to fix that and remove any doubled lines around the iris and pupil.
Probably those who know what they're doing have an easy way to do this :)
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