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04/23/2008 03:37:25 AM · #1
Seeing that my 'even' entry is flopping... : )

Can someone provide a brief description of sepia and how it is achieved...

Thanks!
04/23/2008 04:25:22 AM · #2
Sepia is a tone that can either be added to a photo on the camera or through post processing. It's useful when you want a picture to look aged or older. I own a canon, and on my camera I have to go to the menu, then find the parameter section. When I get into parameters, I have to change it to black and white, and then change the toning effect to sepia. I'm not shure how nikons work though. In post processing you could try going to image editing tasks and then to photo correction to find a sepia tone filter. You also may need to look under effects, it just depends on the program you are using. I am going to try to post an image if I can figure it out, but I hope this helped!
04/23/2008 04:32:07 AM · #3
love32907

Message edited by author 2008-04-23 04:32:46.
04/23/2008 04:32:38 AM · #4
Here are a few of the many sepias in my portfolio.




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04/23/2008 04:33:59 AM · #5
I couldn't figure out how to post a picture yet... but you can look at my portfolio for a picture of a kitten that I added.
04/23/2008 05:06:59 AM · #6
Thanks for your help (and sharing your images!!!)...

I guess, I have one last question then...since sepia is a tone, does it matter how it is achieved then?

would these count? I had converted to BW and adjusted the hue/tone.




Message edited by author 2008-04-23 05:19:39.
04/23/2008 05:18:36 AM · #7
Ok! Found Sepia on my Nikon... You learn something new everyday... Thanks...will shoot and convert in that to be safe...
04/23/2008 05:22:28 AM · #8
Those images looked ok to me... but I am glad that you found it on your camera! It is alot easier that way (in my opinion).
04/23/2008 05:33:24 AM · #9
Indeed it is. I should know that feature on my camera despite the challenge.....thanks again love.
04/23/2008 05:51:21 AM · #10
Originally posted by Iraklis:

Thanks for your help (and sharing your images!!!)...

I guess, I have one last question then...since sepia is a tone, does it matter how it is achieved then?

would these count? I had converted to BW and adjusted the hue/tone.

Yes, those would definitely count. Conversion and adjusting hue/tone, adding a duotone, or adding in color are all fine for basic editing. What you cannot do is duplicate layers, use blending modes, or do any selections of any kind on portions of the picture. Hopefully that helps!!
04/23/2008 06:24:15 AM · #11
Ha!...no fear of that...even if I wanted to..

Thanks much Melethia
04/23/2008 06:48:31 AM · #12
oh how nice, i like sepia. one question, though: does the image has to be entirely duestone or is ok if it is a color image that has just a sepia-ish toning?

for example this is a sepia duetone


whereas this one is a color image just tinted sepia.
04/24/2008 08:00:32 AM · #13
I would say they both pass but that is just me.
04/24/2008 08:21:39 AM · #14
I'm at work now and will have to test this on my camera later, but this raises an interesting qustion for me as I have not used any of my in camera processing before. Does the in camera processing alter the RAW file? It would be nice to shoot jpg+raw and have a quick & easy sepia jpg while retaining the ability to manipulate the unadulterated capture later.
04/24/2008 08:33:37 AM · #15
No, it does not affect the Raw file. If you do in camera processing after you have taken the shot, a new version of the file is saved on your card as a JPEG. I don't know if you can shoot in sepia with the D80 (you can with the D300 but not with D70), but I shot Raw + JPEG in sepia yesterday and that was quite interesting. (raw file is normal when opened in PS). The sepia colour was way too intense for my personal taste. I'm at work and don't have examples to share, but I didn't much like it and would prefer to do it in PS afterwards.

Originally posted by JMart:

I'm at work now and will have to test this on my camera later, but this raises an interesting qustion for me as I have not used any of my in camera processing before. Does the in camera processing alter the RAW file? It would be nice to shoot jpg+raw and have a quick & easy sepia jpg while retaining the ability to manipulate the unadulterated capture later.
04/25/2008 08:02:41 AM · #16
Originally posted by love32907:

I couldn't figure out how to post a picture yet... but you can look at my portfolio for a picture of a kitten that I added.




04/25/2008 08:21:03 AM · #17
Originally posted by salmiakki:

I'm at work now and will have to test this on my camera later, but this raises an interesting qustion for me as I have not used any of my in camera processing before. Does the in camera processing alter the RAW file? It would be nice to shoot jpg+raw and have a quick & easy sepia jpg while retaining the ability to manipulate the unadulterated capture later.


For what it's worth, here's an observation: If you have an in-camera-sepia JPG file that is "too intense" for your tastes, it's very simple to adjust the intensity (and the hue) of the sepia toning in PS with the hue/saturation adjustment. That said, if you understand PS well it's probably always better to do the sepia conversion directly from RAW (or even JPG) in PS. There's just more data to work with in the color version of the image. But RAW+Sepia JPG is a nice way to shoot for this challenge, because this allows you to "preview" all your potential conversions easily in sepia mode, then choose the ones you want to work with and open the RAW on those and make them sing.

R.
04/25/2008 08:50:26 AM · #18
not knowing how exactly to achieve sepia, i googled it and came up with Wikipedia's take on the matter
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_tone

they had this easy conversion to follow given as an example:

Adobe recommends setting Hue = 27 and Saturation = 21 and checking the Colorize box in the Hue/Saturation filter in Photoshop[1]

Microsoft recommends:[2]
R' = (R × 0.393 + G × 0.769 + B × 0.189); G' = (R × 0.349 + G × 0.686 + B × 0.168); B' = (R × 0.272 + G × 0.534 + B × 0.131);

it helped me so i figured i would pass it along :)
04/25/2008 09:14:13 AM · #19

04/25/2008 09:24:55 AM · #20
Some of my "attempts" at applying sepia tones

04/25/2008 09:49:52 AM · #21
Originally posted by outafocus:

not knowing how exactly to achieve sepia, i googled it and came up with Wikipedia's take on the matter
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_tone

they had this easy conversion to follow given as an example:

Adobe recommends setting Hue = 27 and Saturation = 21 and checking the Colorize box in the Hue/Saturation filter in Photoshop[1]

Microsoft recommends:[2]
R' = (R × 0.393 + G × 0.769 + B × 0.189); G' = (R × 0.349 + G × 0.686 + B × 0.168); B' = (R × 0.272 + G × 0.534 + B × 0.131);

it helped me so i figured i would pass it along :)


That seems to work quite well, there seems to also be a default sepia action in CS2

To get to it, window -> Actions Alt+F9
Then click on the little arrow on the right and choose image effects
That then populates a list and one is sepia toning greyscale and another sepia toning layer. click on one and then the little run button at the bottom which runs through the list of commands

I also downloaded a custom action command list from here but I am pretty sure it is NOT legal in basic as it stands as one of the steps uses a selection ... You can untick the selection part of the action list which I think would make it legal .... I hope that makes some sense!!

This is the menu you will be looking at

04/25/2008 10:08:41 AM · #22
Here are some samples

this is the original


These are modified using the techniques above
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04/26/2008 08:08:00 AM · #23


Message edited by author 2008-04-26 08:09:15.
04/26/2008 10:57:52 PM · #24
HSL at 30/30 worked for me. But I'm wondering if there's some unique way to get sepia with a color balance layer.

Also, I'm guessing the Sepia Toning effect in PSP X2 is illegal in basic.

Message edited by author 2008-04-26 22:59:33.
04/27/2008 08:59:48 AM · #25
I am very new to this site...with basic editing can you use Photoshop to get sepia effect. Even though it's on my camera, often I prefer to get this effect by desaturating or converting to b & w (prefer) and then add filter. I find there are a few ways you can do it in photoshop. Is this allowed in basic?
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