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 02/16/2004 09:06:54 AM · #1
Hi-
I just wanted to congratulate all the winners in the DOF challenge, and pay particular homage to Alexs Labuda and Focus on Happiness. When I read the commments, I was disappointed to see that some people seemed to vote the photo lower because the technique was used before (one person gave it a 4 and said it was a "used idea").
My friends: EVERY idea has been used before. It doesn't matter if you make a photo black and white, or used shallow depth of field or desaturate a certain area, it is a "used idea". Case in point: when Jmsetzer won with the stars and stripes photo, I had submitted a photo of flowers using the same technique in the same challenge. It was pure coincidence, and we both did well. Alexs admits in her comments that she was nervous that people would vote it low because they had seen this technique before, but let's be realistic here. If people are getting low votes because they are trying old techniques with new results, we are going to have a very dull site around here soon! Kudos to those of you who made your opinion known in the COMMENTS rather than the vote. Congrats!
Liana :)
 02/16/2004 09:14:48 AM · #2
agreed! she put a nice twist to the "trick." I hate that people call it that. It is not a trick. that makes it sound less credible than any other setup when shooting photos
 02/16/2004 09:16:25 AM · #3
Originally posted by Yellowpeep:
If people are getting low votes because they are trying old techniques with new results, we are going to have a very dull site around here soon!


Likewise if people are just going to copy everyone else, that makes for an even duller site......

My feelings are that it's good to copy for learning value. See an image you really like - and try to emulate the lighting etc can teach you a huge more than just shooting something that catches your eye.

However as a voter, seeing the 'water effect shot' the 'water drop from a leaf shot' or the 'lines of text shot' for the first time tends to be amazing and a high score deserved for aesthetics and originality. When you see the same shot 30 times later it looses it's originality and thus the score will be lower.

I get very bored with that shot now, when I first saw John's it wowed me, now I think it's very cliché simply because it has been done so many times. Not sure what my vote would have been had I voted, as it is still a good image and very well taken. probably a 7.

02/16/2004 09:24:04 AM · #4
I feel exactly like jonpink except that I refuse to give a good score to those picture. As long as the ''water drops on a glass'' are winning, people will continue to send some challenge after challenge... Probably until I get bored enough and leave the site for good!
 02/16/2004 09:25:49 AM · #5
As always, I prefer to vote on each individual photograph as if they are the only ones in a challenge, or in the world.
02/16/2004 09:30:44 AM · #6
I think, that our vote should be based on objectivity. If the picture is strong enough and conveys the message intended, has a good composition, focus, etc. Why vote it down based on subjective thinking?
 02/16/2004 09:31:33 AM · #7
Well i'm the commenter who gave the 4 because of the used idea. I hated me to do that but it makes me sick to see the same photo challenge after challenge after challenge. I found this photography awesome but i just couldn't voted it higher. I have seen this exactly same set up in 4 or 5 challenge a this time and i'm just wondering where it's going to stop. Maybe we could have a "water drops on a glass over something" challenge to close the case one for all or maybe i could start copying good photo on this web site for each challenge and start being voted high me too?
 02/16/2004 09:33:58 AM · #8
Originally posted by rgarciah55:
I think, that our vote should be based on objectivity. If the picture is strong enough and conveys the message intended, has a good composition, focus, etc. Why vote it down based on subjective thinking?


Becasue the idea and the originality is the most important aspect in good photography!

Any moron given a few years can learn how to use a camera, learn how to expose & focus well but you can't learn to see a good photograph - not that easily anyway.
 02/16/2004 09:37:15 AM · #9
Life is subjective! That's the way it is!
I think that nicklevy just had a genial idea. Let's have a challenge on water drops and we all are really gonna try to be originals using this technique. After, that maybe will close the subject for a while!
 02/16/2004 09:37:36 AM · #10
I have to say, I think anyone voting down a photo "because it has been done before" is really thinking very short-sightedly. Yes, perhaps the "water drop" shots have been seen before - but have YOU done it? I know I haven't - and I don't think my interpretation (if I did it) should be considered any less valid than anyone elses. As KarenB says, I prefer to vote on each photograph individually - and if it's a photo that I think "gee, I'd love to have done one like that" it gets high marks - whether or not the subject has been done. Believe it or not, there is NOTHING new under the sun. There is a color photograph taken in the elements challenge that is IDENTICAL to one I've seen elsewhere on the web in b/w - so does that mean that they copied someone elses work, or does it mean that they simply had the same vision?
 02/16/2004 09:40:53 AM · #11
Originally posted by kaycee:
I have to say, I think anyone voting down a photo "because it has been done before" is really thinking very short-sightedly. Yes, perhaps the "water drop" shots have been seen before - but have YOU done it? I know I haven't - and I don't think my interpretation (if I did it) should be considered any less valid than anyone elses. As KarenB says, I prefer to vote on each photograph individually - and if it's a photo that I think "gee, I'd love to have done one like that" it gets high marks - whether or not the subject has been done. Believe it or not, there is NOTHING new under the sun. There is a color photograph taken in the elements challenge that is IDENTICAL to one I've seen elsewhere on the web in b/w - so does that mean that they copied someone elses work, or does it mean that they simply had the same vision?


Well that's simply your opinion and your welcome to it.Many photographers on here like to see original photography.
 02/16/2004 09:41:20 AM · #12
Originally posted by jonpink:
Becasue the idea and the originality is the most important aspect in good photography!


Even though the technique was used before, don't you think Labuda used it creatively?

Message edited by author 2004-02-16 09:44:00.
 02/16/2004 09:41:57 AM · #13
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by kaycee:
I have to say, I think anyone voting down a photo "because it has been done before" is really thinking very short-sightedly. Yes, perhaps the "water drop" shots have been seen before - but have YOU done it? I know I haven't - and I don't think my interpretation (if I did it) should be considered any less valid than anyone elses. As KarenB says, I prefer to vote on each photograph individually - and if it's a photo that I think "gee, I'd love to have done one like that" it gets high marks - whether or not the subject has been done. Believe it or not, there is NOTHING new under the sun. There is a color photograph taken in the elements challenge that is IDENTICAL to one I've seen elsewhere on the web in b/w - so does that mean that they copied someone elses work, or does it mean that they simply had the same vision?


Well that's simply your opinion and your welcome to it.Many photographers on here like to see original photography.


Many are also here to learn, and ribboning in this challenge with that technique shows that it was learned. This is why we have comments and tutorials...to learn. :)

Originally posted by rgarciah55:
Originally posted by jonpink:
Becasue the idea and the originality is the most important aspect in good photography!


Even though the technique was used before, don't you think this entry used it creatively?


And to "kick it up a knotch" ... kudos!

Cheers.

Message edited by author 2004-02-16 09:42:47.
 02/16/2004 09:44:12 AM · #14
Originally posted by rgarciah55:
Originally posted by jonpink:
Because the idea and the originality is the most important aspect in good photography!


Even though the technique was used before, don't you think this entry used it creatively?


Yes I do;) I think it was a creative take on the old favourite. That is why I said I would give it a high vote.

kaycee: If in the next challenge, someone copied that shot exactly,if the faces were in the same place etc, would you score it the same all over again?
02/16/2004 09:44:42 AM · #15
If we had a "prohibited cliches" list like Worth1000 does, I'd hope the water-drops-on-glass idea would be on it... from the Worth1000 rules:

A cliche is anything which has been so overdone in contest entries (either at Worth1000 or at other sites) that we've gotten sick of seeing them and decided to make it off-limits
 02/16/2004 09:46:37 AM · #16
I tend to agaree with nick. While the photo was very cool, and I don't even remember what I voted on it, but the twist has to be a little different. This type of photo comes up in every challenge and always does well. while it is fun to try this technique, I don't think it should keep winning challenges. I don't want to sound like a sore loser or angry,( I was pleased with my challenge entry and my results) but learning photography is about using current ideas but expanding on them. Everyone is always saying "think out of the box" . I am also not talking about that particular entry, but many where the cool techniques are used over and over. Anyway, that said. . .Congrats to all winners and everyone in between...entries are getting better and better each week
 02/16/2004 09:47:12 AM · #17
Originally posted by EddyG:
If we had a "prohibited cliches" list like Worth1000 does, I'd hope the water-drops-on-glass idea would be on it... from the Worth1000 rules:

A cliche is anything which has been so overdone in contest entries (either at Worth1000 or at other sites) that we've gotten sick of seeing them and decided to make it off-limits


I would not ever like to see this.
02/16/2004 09:47:22 AM · #18
Originally posted by KarenB:
Many are also here to learn, and ribboning in this challenge with that technique shows that it was learned. This is why we have comments and tutorials...to learn. :)


Many people read threads...

Originally posted by jonpink:
My feelings are that it's good to copy for learning value. See an image you really like - and try to emulate the lighting etc can teach you a huge more than just shooting something that catches your eye.
02/16/2004 09:49:17 AM · #19
everyone has their own technique of doing things ... so really each idea is their own ... kinda :)

I was given a George Carlin quote that fits everyone perfectly!

"An Art thief is someone who takes pictures."

has anyone ever thought of it that way?

This site is meant to bring people together and learn from each other ... and that's what it is doing

Message edited by author 2004-02-16 09:52:00.
 02/16/2004 09:49:39 AM · #20
I read that, but was obviously responding to the latest comments and part of the conversation.
 02/16/2004 09:50:10 AM · #21
Since there is no rules to stop those clichés... What other choice do we have than to vote very low on pictures that we find absolutely repetitives?!
 02/16/2004 09:52:26 AM · #22
Originally posted by Pepette:
Since there is no rules to stop those clichés... What other choice do we have than to vote very low on pictures that we find absolutely repetitives?!


So, because you are bored, you vote a perfectly excellent photo down? I guess that is your perogative. I am glad the majority obviously doesn't do this.. as this ribboned.
 02/16/2004 09:54:10 AM · #23
If in the next challenge, someone copied that shot exactly,if the faces were in the same place etc, would you score it the same all over again?

Of course not - but that's not what I'm seeing here. I have yet to see one "water drop" shot that is identical to any other. Is the concept and the setup the same? Yes. And while some are done not so well, some are done very well (i.e. Labuda's). So, I rate them according to how well I consider them to have been done - not according to originality.
02/16/2004 09:54:11 AM · #24
Originally posted by Pepette:
Since there is no rules to stop those clichés... What other choice do we have than to vote very low on pictures that we find absolutely repetitives?!


Because you should score each photo individually - not comparing to other challenges or photos ... every one's skills are different and ability to pull off different techniques ... if we compared photos to past challenges, why are they past challenges? imagine having a huge on going challenge? that would be impossible ... let those challenges - and photos go and move on into the current challenge - free your mind of other photos and try and start fresh

Also ... these repetitive ideas of shot could very well fit the challenge and be an awesome shot with all the details needed to be given a higher score .. and that's why you are voting right? because they meet the challenge and is a beautifully taken photo?

Message edited by author 2004-02-16 09:55:38.
 02/16/2004 09:58:07 AM · #25
You are right! That's the right that we have to vote according to what we personnaly think.
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