Do Voters know what minimal editing is.

11/01/2007 08:39:08 PM · #1

Following a number of comments in a current challenge, I am left to wonder if voters relize the challenge Name and editing requirements, and in minimal editing it is not always available TTL to crop a photo if there is distance between you and the suject.

11/01/2007 08:42:19 PM · #2

Well, I don't give any breaks for bad technicals or composition in min-ed. Although I know somethings can be fixed in PP, I feel it is no excuse.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/01/2007 08:50:41 PM · #3

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Well, I don't give any breaks for bad technicals or composition in min-ed. Although I know somethings can be fixed in PP, I feel it is no excuse.

Then why do voters say I would have cropped it different, or when there are only two distinguishing points, say I find it hard to find a distinguishing point.

Atropos

Nikon D40

11/01/2007 08:52:11 PM · #4

In that case, you should have been closer to the subject or used a zoomier lens if possible. The whole point of minimal editing is to get that great shot without post processing.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/01/2007 08:53:57 PM · #5

Originally posted by Atropos:

In that case, you should have been closer to the subject or used a zoomier lens if possible. The whole point of minimal editing is to get that great shot without post processing.

And if that was impossible, (sorry I can't walk on water )and 75-300 is all I have in zoom.

But then I could have zoomed and told half a story for the challenge name.

Message edited by author 2007-11-01 20:56:30.

Atropos

Nikon D40

11/01/2007 08:54:54 PM · #6

Originally posted by hywind:

And if that was impossible, (sorry I can't walk on water yet)

Then pick a new subject or enter that shot in a different challenge. =]

11/01/2007 08:57:19 PM · #7

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by Atropos:
In that case, you should have been closer to the subject or used a zoomier lens if possible. The whole point of minimal editing is to get that great shot without post processing.

And if that was impossible, (sorry I can't walk on water yet)

Choose a different shot or a longer lens. You can't expect the voter to not expect you to walk on water, no matter what ruleset we are using.

11/01/2007 09:03:06 PM · #8

Originally posted by Atropos:

Originally posted by hywind:
And if that was impossible, (sorry I can't walk on water yet)

Then pick a new subject or enter that shot in a different challenge. =]

Right, a vast arrangement of sujects may be available to some, and the photo I submitted has been used a number of times, in this area by the media, but then I suppose journalism is to be read not look at the pretty pictures.

11/01/2007 09:05:50 PM · #9

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by Atropos:
In that case, you should have been closer to the subject or used a zoomier lens if possible. The whole point of minimal editing is to get that great shot without post processing.

And if that was impossible, (sorry I can't walk on water yet)

Choose a different shot or a longer lens. You can't expect the voter to not expect you to walk on water, no matter what ruleset we are using.

HA Di HA HA

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/01/2007 09:06:30 PM · #10

Originally posted by hywind:

I won several PJ awards in college... I, for the life of me, can't pull off a ribbon here. Two different worlds, my friend. Apples and Oranges.

Message edited by author 2007-11-01 21:07:31.

Atropos

Nikon D40

11/01/2007 09:06:35 PM · #11

Here:

For next time ;]

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

11/01/2007 09:10:09 PM · #12

Originally posted by Atropos:

Here:

For next time ;]

Touche'

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/01/2007 09:10:15 PM · #13

The requirements of an excellent photograph are basically independent of the artificial editing criteria we impose on challenge entries in DPC. When you are working with minimal editing, you basically can't enter certain images because without cropping (or whatever other PP they require) they simply aren't that good.

While it's true that a given image might become a superior image if it were cropped, that option was never in the cards. When a commenter tells you it "needs cropping", then that's just a fact (for that commenter anyway). We have three ways to crop: move closer, zoom in, or crop in PP. In the unfortunate case where the first two options weren't available to you, then you just ended up with a picture that wasn't going to work for this particular challenge.

R.

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

11/01/2007 09:19:37 PM · #14

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I agree, but the picture only has 2 distinguishing points of interest, one is busy, but that is the style of the subject and cannot be changed, and as this is a challenge to tell a story as well as be a good picture, was necessary for the title.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/01/2007 09:26:00 PM · #15

Originally posted by hywind:

Nevertheless, the voters, quite correctly, are trying to balance the two. If the story is compelling enough, it can overcome technical deficiencies. And if the photograph is technically outstanding, that can mitigate against an apparent level of shallowness. Hopefully the winners will have both elements in place; I see plenty of images that do.

R.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

11/01/2007 09:28:45 PM · #16

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

My name is Leroy Dickson and I approve of this message.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

11/01/2007 10:47:01 PM · #17

One of the interesting things about Minimal editing is that it is not exactly the same as "photojournalism" -- I'm sure editors crop images all the time. The requirement to complete the final composition in-camera rather than just capture the scene is an extra, artistic challenge we've added to the very limited editing allowed.

taterbug

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

11/01/2007 11:48:08 PM · #18

Originally posted by hywind:

...as well as be a good picture, ...

See, you said it yourself. :-)

11/01/2007 11:50:58 PM · #19

Originally posted by taterbug:

Originally posted by hywind:
...as well as be a good picture, ...

See, you said it yourself. :-)

Ouch.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/02/2007 12:05:53 AM · #20

Have to say, I'm pretty impressed with the top ten and mostly agree with their placement.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

11/02/2007 12:07:32 AM · #21

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Have to say, I'm pretty impressed with the top ten and mostly agree with their placement.

Top two have piss poor focus, other than that I wasn't suprised where things ended up except for Judi's miner shot which was my high vote of the challenge.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

11/02/2007 12:11:40 AM · #22

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Have to say, I'm pretty impressed with the top ten and mostly agree with their placement.

Top two have piss poor focus, other than that I wasn't suprised where things ended up except for Judi's miner shot which was my high vote of the challenge.

Wow...thankyou so much. I am flattered. I have just finished adding a couple more images to the about of that one....then I found your post here. Thanks again.

11/02/2007 12:13:01 AM · #23

Originally posted by routerguy666:

I wasn't suprised where things ended up except for Judi's miner shot which was my high vote of the challenge.

Yeah, that one is a bit surprising.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

11/02/2007 12:57:42 AM · #24

I'm fairly sure the Blue ribbon is focused but suffers from a) motion blur of the flames and b) image degradation from the image being primarily in the red spectrum. The firefighter's sillouette has bleed from the red, not soft focus.

Brad's photo also has focus. I'm assuming he is experienced enough that he chose to focus behind the chair. Maybe you don't agree with the choice, but I'd hardly call it "piss poor".

EDIT: Actually I just noticed the blue was done with a 75-300. That probably plays just as large a role. Any 75-300 will be soft.

Message edited by author 2007-11-02 01:01:25.