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10/31/2007 08:39:49 PM · #1
During my time here I have noticed that shots that contain the American Flag attract lower scores... eg. more 1's than normal. Has anyone else noticed that?

I must say I don't like the American Flag in shots for various reason and do mark down for it. Is their anyone else?
10/31/2007 08:41:49 PM · #2
The red ribbon in "From the Ground Up" challenge seems to have done all right.
10/31/2007 08:45:39 PM · #3
This is a worldwide site: America isn't very popular right now...

R.
10/31/2007 08:46:31 PM · #4
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

This is a worldwide site: America isn't very popular right now...

R.


I think this pretty much sums it up!
10/31/2007 08:51:39 PM · #5
I'm sure that being an international site contributes to the lack of appeal of an American flag in shots. There is a large voting demographic that has no alliegence to the American flag so that rules out any sentimental vote. Add to the fact that their is an increasing dislike for American foreign policy and that probably causes some to vote lower. I would have to imagine that any flag shot, regardless of the country, is not recieved well. That being said I have seen some American Flag shot do well on this site, but I think you are not alone for your dislike.
10/31/2007 09:08:30 PM · #6
I think there's a lot of validity to the notion that those shots get voted down because the US isn't a very popular country... but from my recollection, it seems that it's really quite rare that I've seen too many really good, creative shots involving the flag, too.
10/31/2007 09:13:43 PM · #7
Some flag photos are stunning ...and are truly appreciated by the masses.

I would certainly hope that the 1 votes are as a result of photographic factors and not because some folks may have a dislike for US policy... but then stranger things can and do happen.

Ray
10/31/2007 09:13:48 PM · #8
I think Alanfreed got it right too, excluding the current red ribbon I have seen very few shots of ANY flag that warrant a high vote. I do sympathise that a lot of American people love their country flag and even a dull boring shot of it can spark certain emotions but this is a photography site and photographically speaking ANY flag on a pole does nothing for me.
10/31/2007 09:18:58 PM · #9
Originally posted by BooZon:

During my time here I have noticed that shots that contain the American Flag attract lower scores... eg. more 1's than normal. Has anyone else noticed that?

I must say I don't like the American Flag in shots for various reason and do mark down for it. Is their anyone else?


How would you vote if it were an Australian flag?
10/31/2007 09:19:37 PM · #10
Most of the flag shots have a sentimental sense, most won't mean a thing to a foreigner.
10/31/2007 09:41:38 PM · #11
I had complaints about the stripes not being white enough. That was the colour of the candy (and very tasty it was, too) ;-)

Besides, I'm not American.
10/31/2007 10:34:54 PM · #12
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:

Originally posted by BooZon:

During my time here I have noticed that shots that contain the American Flag attract lower scores... eg. more 1's than normal. Has anyone else noticed that?

I must say I don't like the American Flag in shots for various reason and do mark down for it. Is their anyone else?


How would you vote if it were an Australian flag?


Down for various reasons... :)
10/31/2007 10:57:14 PM · #13
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

This is a worldwide site: America isn't very popular right now...

R.


Not even by some of us (Americans)! LOL!

But that does not change my voting. A great photo still will win out in most of the cases I have seen here, despite politics.

edit: I can't spell : (

Message edited by author 2007-10-31 22:58:30.
10/31/2007 10:57:19 PM · #14
Amazing how seldom popularity matches history. Most of the times, difficult decisions and actions be they right OR wrong - are unpopular.

Ironically, most of that which is "popular" seldom is good.

*shrug*
10/31/2007 11:01:30 PM · #15
See the comment from wester here on my "minimalism" challenge image from 2005.

Originally posted by wester:

read the challenge description better and then go voice your patriotism somewhere else please.
the flag is out of focus, too.


While some liked what the image was saying there was certainly one that didn't...and it's not just cause of the way it is shot.

I do think a lot of it is because America isn't one of the most liked countries but sadly it isn't anything new. There are people that will always dislike people because they are different, are better (or appear to be better) than them or have a better life. Look at how many sports fans hate a team or player and say they suck when they are the absolute best in their field. Not sure if it is jealousy or what, but it is human nature and something the person themselves have to deal with.
10/31/2007 11:12:14 PM · #16
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

The red ribbon in "From the Ground Up" challenge seems to have done all right.


Why because it was used as a background effect?
10/31/2007 11:14:52 PM · #17
I quite like using a flag as a background



But must flag photos you see are just that - a flag on a pole. Little thought, little creativity. Just the expectation that people have all the associations, daily devotions and pledges to the flag and that that'll be enough to get good votes.

But often its just a flag on a pole. Most non americans don't have the same ties to flags that are common here. The associations don't translate so well to other cultures.

Even before you start considering any political associations, it needs to be an interesting picture first.
10/31/2007 11:18:10 PM · #18
Originally posted by alanfreed:

but from my recollection, it seems that it's really quite rare that I've seen too many really good, creative shots involving the flag, too.


I think you are right and "pride" may be blinding the photographers into thinking they will score well.
10/31/2007 11:18:13 PM · #19
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

The red ribbon in "From the Ground Up" challenge seems to have done all right.


Why because it was used as a background effect?


It was a current and handy illustration. Would the shot of the bird have done nearly as well, had it been against a clear blue sky only? I don't think so, as the motion of the flag behind the motion of the birds wings is part of what made that image what it is. Had it been a piece of laundry instead of an American flag, it would have still been a great image.
11/01/2007 12:11:30 AM · #20
Originally posted by sabphoto:

I do think a lot of it is because America isn't one of the most liked countries but sadly it isn't anything new. There are people that will always dislike people because they are different, are better (or appear to be better) than them or have a better life. Look at how many sports fans hate a team or player and say they suck when they are the absolute best in their field. Not sure if it is jealousy or what, but it is human nature and something the person themselves have to deal with.


I think that if people are intentionally voting down images with American flags it's not because they dislike the American people, but rather the policies of the US government and what they stand for.
11/01/2007 12:25:53 AM · #21
GOD BLESS THE USA, THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
11/01/2007 12:49:09 AM · #22
Originally posted by brimac:

GOD BLESS THE USA, THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!


:-)
11/01/2007 12:50:55 AM · #23
Tom you have the coolest profile picture ever
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11/01/2007 01:38:29 AM · #24
anybody waving a flag
has no right to have one
11/01/2007 01:41:06 AM · #25
Originally posted by cutout:

anybody waving a flag
has no right to have one


nicely put
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