*NEW* Canon EOS-1D Mark II - DPChallenge Forums

01/29/2004 12:03:20 AM · #1

Ripped from DPREVIEW.com....

Pre-PMA 2004: Canon today announced the impressively specified EOS-1D Mark II which features a new 8.2 megapixel CMOS sensor, it can shoot at just over eight frames per second and has a 40 frame JPEG image buffer (20 frames in RAW mode). This means that shooting at full resolution at full speed the camera is buffering 69 megapixels per second (or 100 MB/sec). Other changes include the addition of a USB port, an SD slot, the removal of the external white balance sensor as well as some subtle body styling changes.

//www.dpreview.com/news/0401/04012904canoneos1dmkii.asp

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

01/29/2004 12:10:36 AM · #2

well the buffer speed is impressive

Koriyama

Nikon D200

01/29/2004 12:31:37 AM · #3

Obviously aiming to compete with Nikon's D1H, and to take away the market sting the D70 will cause.

Any idea of the price?

goinskiing

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/29/2004 12:33:48 AM · #4

4500

Koriyama

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

01/29/2004 12:40:12 AM · #5

Originally posted by goinskiing:

4500

If that were yen, I'd be over the moon.

I do take it you mean US dollars?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

01/29/2004 12:50:15 AM · #6

Originally posted by Koriyama:

Obviously aiming to compete with Nikon's D1H, and to take away the market sting the D70 will cause.

Any idea of the price?

DPReview states $4500 USD.

Looked thru the specs, this is one impressive beast. 1.3x crop factor, looks like they are claiming improved reduction of both fixed pattern and random noise, support for both SD and CF memory, ability to write to both simultaneously for backup, E-TTL II, USB+ firewire, 40ms shutter delay (!!), weather sealed body, it just goes on & on. I am drooling.

KevinRiggs

Canon EOS-1Ds

01/29/2004 01:05:11 AM · #7

Originally posted by Koriyama:

Obviously aiming to compete with Nikon's D1H

Yeah . . . I don't think this is designed to compete with anything. It overwhelms anything else out there. Faster, better resolution, more frames per burst, the quality of the image frame-per-frame is higher due to the noise reduction Canon has in place. Well, I've always liked Sony equipment (even bought a Sony as my first digital camera) 'cause I could just plug it in and it'd work but I am just waiting to see if this camera (at 8.2mp) pounds the stuffing outta the F828. I wonder what type of color output and noise it'll produce at similar resolutions with similar optics.

It'll be a long time before I can afford something like that. Probably more to the point it'd be even longer before I'd need anything like that. ;D

Azrifel

Nikon Coolpix P340

01/29/2004 01:36:27 AM · #8

Originally posted by Koriyama:

Obviously aiming to compete with Nikon's D1H, and to take away the market sting the D70 will cause.

It is the 1D succesor, the Nikon D2h and D2x competitor and has very little to do with the D70 nor the D100, 300D or 10D.

It's a photjournalist's camera, but the added mp now also makes it accesible for wedding pg's, studio work and landscaping (an alternative to the 1Ds for that matter).

According to two people at dpreview who used the prototype, the noise levels of the 1.3x 8mp CMOS are better than that of the 1.3x 4mp CCD. The Digic II might also have something to do with that. Impressive.

The D70 attacks not only the 300D, but also the D100, S3 and 10D.

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

Nikon AF-S Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8 VR

01/29/2004 01:37:54 AM · #9

Yeah it looks amazing. No faults as far as I can see. The 1.3x seems like a fairly useful crop factor. The 1D guys on the Canon SLR forums point out that the flash sync and the shutter speed have been lowered, but myself I can't see ever needing a shutter speed beyond 1/8000th. Saving those pennies...

Yomi

Nikon D850

01/29/2004 02:45:42 AM · #10

I just ran across this tonight too. I was kind of like- "Oh my heck!" But then I thought I am perfectly happy with my camera right now, and in two or three years when I finish school and of to make my millions. I will upgrade my camera then. And if you think that you are drooling over this camera now. I'm going to get the new 50MP Nikon D4ZX and whatever other numbers you want to put on the end of the model number. Then, I'll also have to upgrade my 256meg CF card and get the 1 terabyte CF card that they will have. Then I'll be perfectly happy... Till the next year.

No seriously, I was drooling over the speed and specs of the camera.

Jason

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

01/29/2004 04:19:03 AM · #11

Only draw backs that I would see is the slow sync speed of 1/250 (The 1D was 1/500).

Also notice the flash is E-TTL II, I wodner if there is a new flash to follow soon.

paolobnr

Canon EOS-10D

01/29/2004 05:12:12 AM · #12

Originally posted by KevinRiggs:

Originally posted by Koriyama:
Obviously aiming to compete with Nikon's D1H

It'll be a long time before I can afford something like that. Probably more to the point it'd be even longer before I'd need anything like that. ;D

Buy a second hand Rolleiflex, witha f/3,5 Planar lens. With 500 Euros you can find good ones. And your photos will be wonderful.

EddyG

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

01/29/2004 07:59:57 AM · #13

Originally posted by Jason:

Only draw backs that I would see is the slow sync speed of 1/250

Hmm, I guess I don't see this as a big problem when the existing 420EX and 550EX both support focal-plane (FP) sync (also known as "hi-speed sync") at any shutter speed.

This allows you to use Canon's SpeedLights (which are also fully wireless compatible and multi-groupable) for fill / catchlights / etc., even when you're outside shooting at 1/1000th+ shutter speeds.

BTW, the reason for the reduction in this "stat" was because the 1D used a "typical" CCD sensor and had both an electronic and mechanical shutter. The 1D Mark II switches to Canon's unique CMOS technology and a mechanical-only shutter. So now all of the Canon DSLR's use CMOS, from the 300D all the way on up to the 11-megapixel 1Ds.

Canon also announced two new lenses. A 70-300 mm DO IS USM, the first zoom to use Diffractive Optics technology, making this Image Stabilized 4.2X zoom lens measure less than 10cm long at 70mm. Also the 28-300 L IS USM, an almost 11x image-stabilized zoom.

Finally, Canon is also addressing the issue of "cheating" here on DPC (not really; it is intended for use by law enforcement, insurance, new agencies, etc. but it would be very cool if all cameras supported technology like this!) by releasing the Data Verification Kit. When the appropriate function (Personal Function 31) on the EOS-1D Mark II or EOS-1Ds is activated, a code based on the image contents is generated and appended to the image. When the image is viewed, the data verification software determines the code for the image and compares it with the attached code. If the image contents have been manipulated in any way, the codes will not match and the image cannot be verified as the original.

Go Canon go! Their R&D continues to amaze me.

My only complaint would be about the continued use of the expensive NP-E3 battery. But I guess that was mostly done for backwards compatability since they are calling this a "Mark II". And when you're talking about $4500 for the body alone, the price of the battery is peanuts anyway. Excuse me now, I have to go sop up the drool in front of my keyboard...

EDIT: The Canon web site has now been updated with the 1D Mark II and has some marketing hype.

Message edited by author 2004-01-29 09:31:24.

01/29/2004 10:36:11 AM · #14

so what would happen when you run the image through photoshop?
its no longer the original anymore?

Originally posted by EddyG:

Finally, Canon is also addressing the issue of "cheating" here on DPC (not really; it is intended for use by law enforcement, insurance, new agencies, etc. but it would be very cool if all cameras supported technology like this!) by releasing the Data Verification Kit. When the appropriate function (Personal Function 31) on the EOS-1D Mark II or EOS-1Ds is activated, a code based on the image contents is generated and appended to the image. When the image is viewed, the data verification software determines the code for the image and compares it with the attached code. If the image contents have been manipulated in any way, the codes will not match and the image cannot be verified as the original.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

01/29/2004 10:48:46 AM · #15

Originally posted by soup:

so what would happen when you run the image through photoshop?
its no longer the original anymore?

Originally posted by EddyG:
Finally, Canon is also addressing the issue of "cheating" here on DPC (not really; it is intended for use by law enforcement, insurance, new agencies, etc. but it would be very cool if all cameras supported technology like this!) by releasing the Data Verification Kit. When the appropriate function (Personal Function 31) on the EOS-1D Mark II or EOS-1Ds is activated, a code based on the image contents is generated and appended to the image. When the image is viewed, the data verification software determines the code for the image and compares it with the attached code. If the image contents have been manipulated in any way, the codes will not match and the image cannot be verified as the original.

Yes. The intent of this software is to detect ANY changes from the originally recorded image. It's kinda like a "checksum", you perform some mathematical operation on all the bytes in the file, sequentially, and the result becomes the "key". If you change any one byte, the result changes. If you change all the bytes, the probability that the result would equal the original is vanishingly small.
The intent is to verify that images recorded for their forensic value are in fact untouched images when presented as evidence.

Canon EF 28-200 f/3.5 - 5.6 USM

01/29/2004 11:18:52 AM · #16

i see, would be nice if the camera itself was registered to a specific owner, and coded ( like a copyright ) each image in the EXIF ( or some other way )- so as its passed along via the internet say - its always tied to the original photographer...

EDIT: i think i have noticed in my exif data there is a line for the photographers name, but i have no idea if or how you get it to fill that data in.

Message edited by author 2004-01-29 11:20:02.

Ram21

Canon EOS-10D

01/29/2004 11:49:57 AM · #17

Originally posted by soup:

i think i have noticed in my exif data there is a line for the photographers name, but i have no idea if or how you get it to fill that data in.

Use the canon software to change the photographers name

Brent_Ward

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

01/29/2004 11:52:25 AM · #18

I've been waiting to see what happens to the 1Ds. Maybe they'll fix this amazing dust problem... ;D

01/29/2004 03:57:34 PM · #19

that defeats the purpose of the image being encoded to know who took really - someone else could change my name to theirs using the same software...

Originally posted by Ram21:

Use the canon software to change the photographers name

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

01/29/2004 04:15:23 PM · #20

Originally posted by Ram21:

Originally posted by soup:
i think i have noticed in my exif data there is a line for the photographers name, but i have no idea if or how you get it to fill that data in.

Use the canon software to change the photographers name

How do you go about this?

Mike

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

01/29/2004 04:19:12 PM · #21

Originally posted by soup:

that defeats the purpose of the image being encoded to know who took really - someone else could change my name to theirs using the same software...

Originally posted by Ram21:
Use the canon software to change the photographers name

This is what watermarking is for.

Azrifel

Nikon Coolpix P340

01/29/2004 05:07:56 PM · #22

With the old 1D's twain software you can upload the camera's owner name to the camera. That parameter will end up in the EXIF.
The same thing can be done with the 1Ds and no doubt with the 1D Mk2.